I'm just not sure that what works for the Avengers would work for Batman. Just my opinion. And I still don't think it's likely to happen.
I'm just not sure that what works for the Avengers would work for Batman. Just my opinion. And I still don't think it's likely to happen.
Jim Zimmerman
Co-moderator, CBR Batman Forum
I think any reboot should start with Robin's introduction. I'd be surprised that if there's a need to redo the origin again. I think people have it and you can flashback to it like in Batman Forever if needed. So, set the tone from the start. Robin.
Nolan's Batman was actually too powerful IMO. He had all this super technology and league of shadows training and was going up against skinny twigs in cheap suits. Only 1 out of 7 was an actual match for him in armor and physicality.
I would like to see a more brainy Batman going up against forces he has no business dealing with. Like a truly immortal Ras Al Ghaul, ClayFace, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc. Keep Batman real but raise the threat level on the other side.
My idea would be to try and create a shared universe like Marvel's. This is a very rough outline. It would start with a Dick Grayson in his late teens, near the end of his tenure as Robin. At the end of the movie (or after credits since people seem to like that for some reason) we could see Bruce giving him the Nightwing suit and telling him to make his own mark, thus setting up a Nightwing spin off.
I was more thinking of Batman Returns than Batman 89'. That one was definitely more of a dark fantasy. I don;t think you'd see anything like Devito's Penguin in Nolan's movies, at least not with an army of little penguins armed with missiles.
Forever and Batman and Robin took that fantasy element further, I agree. I don't think we'll see another Batman movie quite like those, unless it comes as a cgi movie targeted for younger audiences.
Next Batman trilogy should be like this...(following TDKR) in my opinion.
4th Film: Introduce Dick as Robin. Have the Riddler in it.
5th Film: Introduce Jason as Robin and have Joker kill him in the end (Joker could be played by Edward Norton). Have Dick become Nightwing.
6th Film: Introduce Tim as Robin. Bring in the Penguin.
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I think that whoever takes over from here would be stupid to even attempt to replicate anything that Nolan has done. Start fresh, get a new angle/perspective on the whole thing, and yes, allow it to be a little more fantastical. It can still be "fantastical" without being "silly."
And please, for the love of God, make the next Batman a freaking DETECTIVE, not just a rich thug with some smart friends.
It will probably be several years before the next movie. But I'm pretty sure there won't be a Robin. And there sure as heck won't be a succession of Robins. That just wouldn't work in a movie.
Jim Zimmerman
Co-moderator, CBR Batman Forum
Agree with this. Nolan's Bruce is powerful physically, but psycologically very dependent on mentors..
Alfred Pennyworth: Wisdom
Ra' al Ghaul: Ninja skills
Lucious Fox: Tech and Weapons
Gordon: Detective skills
How can he lead a small army of robins when he himself is so dependent on others for direction?
It could work, anything could work if done right. Robin is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) characters in Batman's history. Many people over the age of 45-50 know the name Adam West because of Batman but they also know Burt Ward because of Robin and the 60's show.
What should DC do...? Another reboot, introduce the same villains and have another go at it? Yes Amazing Spiderman worked for Marvel. Why? Because the 3rd Spiderman did awful and fans hated it. The 3 Nolan films were all amazing and did very well. Work with that. Take your time. DC and the right writer, director and studio could do it. Also yes Robin's history could work very well...again if done right.
Bat books, Justice League & JLA , Green Lantern, The Flash, Aquaman & Phantom Stranger.
Spiderman, X books, Avengers books, Daredevil, Thor, Deadpool, Hulk & Fantastic Four.
Star Wars, He-Man, TMNT.
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