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    In Greek myth Hippolyta is the daughter of the god Ares and the goddess Otrera who is the daughter of Zeus.
    If Azzarelo is following Greek myth which can be assumed since he has not written otherwise and has axed the clay origin of Diana and the Amazons.
    This would mean Hippolyta is a full blooded Olympian goddess and Wonder Woman is the daughter of Hippolyta who is the daughter of Ares and his sister Otrera whom the god Zeus fathered.
    Azzarelo has made Hippolyta not only Zeus’s lover but also her grandfather and the father of her daughter Diana. People can ignore this Greek myth if they want too but until Azzarelo and company writes something else into his story one can only assume that Azzarelo is following Greek myth and the god Ares and his sister Otrera is Hippolyta’s father & mother.
    Anyways until Azzarelo writes something else into the story one could assume that Hippolyta as well as Diana are full blooded Olympian goddess’s thus making both of them just as powerful as the goddess Hera or maybe even Zeus himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jestersjoker View Post
    In Greek myth Hippolyta is the daughter of the god Ares and the goddess Otrera who is the daughter of Zeus.
    If Azzarelo is following Greek myth which can be assumed since he has not written otherwise and has axed the clay origin of Diana and the Amazons.
    This would mean Hippolyta is a full blooded Olympian goddess and Wonder Woman is the daughter of Hippolyta who is the daughter of Ares and his sister Otrera whom the god Zeus fathered.
    Azzarelo has made Hippolyta not only Zeus’s lover but her grandfather and the father of her daughter Diana. People can ignore this Greek myth if they want too but until Azzarelo and company writes something else into his story one can only assume that Azzarelo is following Greek myth and the god Ares and his sister Otrera is Hippolyta’s father & mother.
    Anyways until Azzarelo writes something else into the story one could assume that Hippolyta as well as Diana are full blooded Olympian goddess’s thus making both of them just as powerful as the goddess Hera or maybe even Zeus himself.
    You have a functional theory, but I'm not sure Azzarello went that deep into it when he decided to have Zeus be the daddy. I'm sure something must've been hinted at had that been the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_Olivera View Post
    You have a functional theory, but I'm not sure Azzarello went that deep into it when he decided to have Zeus be the daddy. I'm sure something must've been hinted at had that been the case.
    It is not a theory it’s a fact Azzarelo and the editorial staff at DC are playing off the ignorance of the fans plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jestersjoker View Post
    It is not a theory it’s a fact Azzarelo and the editorial staff at DC are playing off the ignorance of the fans plain and simple.
    Where has this been stated as fact?

    There are different mythological variations of Hippolyta as well as the DC version where Gaia guarded the souls of murdered women.

    How do you know which version Azzarello is using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jestersjoker View Post
    In Greek myth Hippolyta is the daughter of the god Ares and the goddess Otrera who is the daughter of Zeus.
    What ancient sources have Otrera as daughter of Zeus? Hyginus and/or Pseudo-Apolloodorus (according to Wikipedia, at least) says she's the daughter of Eurus, the East wind. Other sources have her as Ares' daughter and not the mother of any of any of his children.

    If Azzarelo is following Greek myth which can be assumed since he has not written otherwise and has axed the clay origin of Diana and the Amazons.
    You mean if he is following one particular Greek myth, which is inconsistent with others. I don't see any reason to assume that he is following this myth. In fact, Poseidon doesn't seem to recognize Hippolyta's bloodline as Olympian, which might suggest that Azz isn't following any myth that has Hippolyta as the daughter of Ares or gradndaughter of Zeus.

    This would mean Hippolyta is a full blooded Olympian goddess
    Do any ancient sources list Hippolyta as an Olympian, call her a goddess, portray her as having godlike traits not attributable to her girdle, or refer to her being worshipped? It would be logical to assume that IF she has two divine parents, she is a goddess; but mythology is not particularly logical, or it has a peculiar logic of its own.


    Anyways until Azzarelo writes something else into the story one could assume that Hippolyta as well as Diana are full blooded Olympian goddess’s thus making both of them just as powerful as the goddess Hera or maybe even Zeus himself.
    Again, does any ancient source portray Hippolyta, without her girdle, as being as powerful as Hera?

    Regardless of their lineage, I do think that the DC Hippolyta and Wonder Woman could be potentially on a par with the greatest gods, at least in some ways. In telling her love story, Hippolyta seemed to think of herself as a sovereign and warrior roughly equal to Zeus. And Wonder Woman is only 23. By Olympian standards, that's not even a toddler. She probably hasn't come into her full power yet, let alone become as experienced and skilled as she ever will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slvn View Post
    What ancient sources have Otrera as daughter of Zeus? Hyginus and/or Pseudo-Apolloodorus (according to Wikipedia, at least) says she's the daughter of Eurus, the East wind. Other sources have her as Ares' daughter and not the mother of any of any of his children.
    You mean if he is following one particular Greek myth, which is inconsistent with others.
    Any person can assume or apply any Greek myth they want too until Azzarelo writes his version into his story.
    Not only that a lot of Greek myth is symbolic and subject to interpretation

    Hippolyta:

    Barring perhaps Penthesilea, Hippolyta was the most well-known of the Amazons. She was the daughter of Ares (God of War) and the Amazon Otrera. Hippolyta was a famous queen who fell in love with Heracles when the hero came on his mission to retrieve the golden girdle of Amazonian queenship as his ninth labor (see the Myth Pages for more). She would have been happy to give him the girdle without issue, but the rumour was spread around the Amazon camp (by Hera in disguise) that Heracles had come to steal from Hippolyta, and the Amazons made war on him. Heracles assumed Hippolyta had planned it, killed her, took the girdle, and left. By the way, the girdle was a belt made to carry a sword.

    http://www.paleothea.com/amazons.html
    http://www.angelfire.com/planet/mythguide/otrera.html
    http://camphalfblood.wikia.com/wiki/Otrera
    Hippolyta is the daughter of the war-god Ares and Otrera, a daughter of Zeus.
    http://www.carnaval.com/dionysos/myth/
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