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    Default Gorrl The Living Galaxy Vs The Sentry

    Let's see if Sentry is up to the task...

    Gorrl was capable of moving stars and such so he could retain a face form spanning a galaxy.
    He was capable of creating and possessing stars, messing with gravity in and outside black-holes, and able to red shift across space. Supreme also seemed adamant in that he could fire star size solar flares.
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    How exactly do you beat a living galaxy? Destroying every planet one by one? Unless this galaxy is incredibly small it would take Sentry many years to do such a task. Of all the powers you mentioned the only one that seems like it might do anything to high end Sentry would be the star sized solar flares. Then again..he's survived fights in which the energy being released is visible from the microverse so he should probably do just fine against a large solar flare. I also don't see black holes doing much to him. I would also think that messing with gravity would only, at best, slow him down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surtur View Post
    How exactly do you beat a living galaxy? Destroying every planet one by one? Unless this galaxy is incredibly small it would take Sentry many years to do such a task. Of all the powers you mentioned the only one that seems like it might do anything to high end Sentry would be the star sized solar flares. Then again..he's survived fights in which the energy being released is visible from the microverse so he should probably do just fine against a large solar flare. I also don't see black holes doing much to him. I would also think that messing with gravity would only, at best, slow him down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade View Post
    Has Sentry escaped from a Black Hole? Remember, you can only escape if you're faster than light.
    He can fly at lightspeed in space(went from Earth to the sun in a few minutes) and is just as durable(if not more) then characters who have fought inside black holes, so I don't think a black hole will do much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surtur View Post
    He can fly at lightspeed in space(went from Earth to the sun in a few minutes) and is just as durable(if not more) then characters who have fought inside black holes, so I don't think a black hole will do much.
    If he can FLY FTL then he black holes are no problem.

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    Sentry's Molecule Man powers should allow him to eliminate a black hole even if he isn't able to fly fast enough to escape the schwartzchild radius.

    But yeah, this fight might take a long time. Even destroying entire solar systems with equivalents to that microverse flare, at light speed, Sentry takes 120000 years to make a single pass through the Milky Way. If Gorrl is an equivalent size - (the only picture I could find did not make this clear) then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Smiley View Post
    Sentry's Molecule Man powers should allow him to eliminate a black hole even if he isn't able to fly fast enough to escape the schwartzchild radius.

    But yeah, this fight might take a long time. Even destroying entire solar systems with equivalents to that microverse flare, at light speed, Sentry takes 120000 years to make a single pass through the Milky Way. If Gorrl is an equivalent size - (the only picture I could find did not make this clear) then...

    How would Molecule Man's powers help him? Not saying they can't, just wondering.

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    I'm assuming they'd left him survive against the begin that has enough ability to actively keep solar systems worth of planets and stars under his control to actively jump to individual points, modify, and move. I was also thinking this probably ends in a stale-mate of sorts. At best Gorll could maybe attempt to restrain Sentry via gravity manipulation...though I doubt that'd work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade View Post
    How would Molecule Man's powers help him? Not saying they can't, just wondering.
    Just start reducing matter to component atoms? It'd take him a long time to wipe a galaxy, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    Just start reducing matter to component atoms? It'd take him a long time to wipe a galaxy, of course.
    I meant how would his power help him to get out of a black hole if he didn't have superspeed.

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    IIRC, didn't Molecule Man's powers include teleportation and affecting things across dimensions (possibly by accident)? Of course, if this was Molecule Man at classic Beyonder levels, then he could get out of the black hole by blowing up the universe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    IIRC, didn't Molecule Man's powers include teleportation and affecting things across dimensions (possibly by accident)? Of course, if this was Molecule Man at classic Beyonder levels, then he could get out of the black hole by blowing up the universe...
    Though this begs the question do we grant Sentry any feats the MM did or do we just grant him the feats he showed?(Which was basically just reforming and killing MM IIRC).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    IIRC, didn't Molecule Man's powers include teleportation and affecting things across dimensions (possibly by accident)? Of course, if this was Molecule Man at classic Beyonder levels, then he could get out of the black hole by blowing up the universe...
    First, there was reason it was retconned so everything he did is no longer canon and second you can't transfer feats from one character to another.


    Quote Originally Posted by Surtur View Post
    Though this begs the question do we grant Sentry any feats the MM did or do we just grant him the feats he showed?(Which was basically just reforming and killing MM IIRC).
    No, I don't think you can transfer feats. It's whatever Sentry has done on his own.

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    This again? Sentry has more power than MM but less experience and finesse with it than him. That much was obvious from their fight and even their own statements.

    Look no further than the fact Molecule Man has been able to reconstruct himself (like Sentry did) but hasn't done that in how long now of being killed by Sentry? Whereas Sentry came back from MM's repeated attempts to snuff him, sometimes during the same issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slade View Post
    How would Molecule Man's powers help him? Not saying they can't, just wondering.
    Presumably his psionics/matter/energy manipulation powers. This is bordering on comic books physics derail convo though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slade View Post
    I meant how would his power help him to get out of a black hole if he didn't have superspeed.
    This is entirely hypothetical right? Sentry has superspeed, probably FTL flight from his short notice Sun trips. And considering he has super senses on top of that, this character would have to materialize a black hole practically on top of him at any given moment in order to surprise Sentry, which I doubt would be a big deal anyway considering his durability and speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    IIRC, didn't Molecule Man's powers include teleportation and affecting things across dimensions (possibly by accident)? Of course, if this was Molecule Man at classic Beyonder levels, then he could get out of the black hole by blowing up the universe...
    Outside of that retconned event his powers were trumping the Surfer's, whether by offensive power (disintegrated his board) or by draining away his own powers as I recall. He could booby trap specific molecules to alert him of intruders as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slade View Post
    How would Molecule Man's powers help him? Not saying they can't, just wondering.
    Well, Molecule Man's powers seem to be able to... do stuff to matter. Transmutation, disintegration, teleportation, and so forth. Presumably if he's within range of the singularity, he can unpack the thing. It's still supposedly matter in there, just crushed to a nigh-infinite degree.

    Admittedly, we never saw Sentry explicitly use matter-manipulation abilities at stellar scale, but IIRC, he claimed it was how he did everything he did, which would include those micro-macrocosm-energy bolts and reintegrating himself from complete destruction and so on. If you'd prefer, we can just go with 'makes himself a new body outside the schwartzchild radius' and go with that.

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