The Dark Knight Rises -- Movie discussion thread [spoilers]

[TuCoT]

And 2nd and last fight scene between Batman and Bane:

[Fanofthegoblins]

Some things bug me about the whole Talia and Bane twist.
Let me get this straight......Bane saves a little girl's life. He helps her fulfill her dad's goal, the SAME MAN who rejected him and saw him as a monster? Not only that, the girl he saved will leave him to get blown up with Batman and the city. Wow, Talia sure was a great friend, sacrificing her hero lol.

[Mr. Holmes]

Not sure what the problem is...

[Fanofthegoblins]

Not sure what the problem is...

Ras didn't like Bane and Talia hated him for that. They both want to fulfill his dream.

Edit - Also, if she really cared about Bane, she wouldn't left him to die with the city.

[Mr. Holmes]

As Nolan described in an interview, Ra's was basically like a religious figure. Him disapproving of Bane wasn't going to break his devotion. If anything, it motivated him more to try to uphold his ideals in his twisted mind.

[SpideyZERO]

And I also recall that in the movie, Talia said that she hated her father until he was 'killed' by Batman, and so decided to finish his works.

Kinda a twisted sample of you never know you love someone, until you lost him

[Kensei]

I've been watching the DVD and have noticed several things that are way more apparent on the big screen and hardly at all on the small. When Talia and her henchman are in the tumbler and are first accelerating away from City Hall with a line of cops in their way, Talia says "Shoot them, shoot them all," and in the theater you hear that big machine gun open up in glorious surround sound without seeing it, then we see all the dead cops on the ground. On basic t.v., you hardly hear the gun at all. And visually, there were subtle things that I didn't at first catch on the big screen but once I saw the movie a second time in the theater they became obvious, such as the tear rolling down Bane's cheek, and the fact that when we last see Selina she is wearing the missing pearl necklace again. On t.v. I have to practically put my face right up to the screen to make out the pearls, and the tear is something I'd probably miss if I wasn't watching for it.

I am thrilled to own the DVD. However, it just goes to show that the big screen experience is still #1 for experiencing certain movies in all their glory!

[geoff2005]

i been reading no mans land but so far it seems like Dark knight got a lot of its second half of the movie from no mans land.

what part of movie is like long halloween?

[Agent_Dark]

I've been watching the DVD and have noticed several things that are way more apparent on the big screen and hardly at all on the small. When Talia and her henchman are in the tumbler and are first accelerating away from City Hall with a line of cops in their way, Talia says "Shoot them, shoot them all," and in the theater you hear that big machine gun open up in glorious surround sound without seeing it, then we see all the dead cops on the ground. On basic t.v., you hardly hear the gun at all. And visually, there were subtle things that I didn't at first catch on the big screen but once I saw the movie a second time in the theater they became obvious, such as the tear rolling down Bane's cheek, and the fact that when we last see Selina she is wearing the missing pearl necklace again. On t.v. I have to practically put my face right up to the screen to make out the pearls, and the tear is something I'd probably miss if I wasn't watching for it.

I am thrilled to own the DVD. However, it just goes to show that the big screen experience is still #1 for experiencing certain movies in all their glory!

Get a 1080p tv and watch it on Bluray with lossless audio?

[Kensei]

Get a 1080p tv and watch it on Bluray with lossless audio?

On a budget, I'm afraid.

[Kensei]

i been reading no mans land but so far it seems like Dark knight got a lot of its second half of the movie from no mans land.

what part of movie is like long halloween?

"Dark Knight Rises" does not draw from "The Long Halloween," but "Batman Begins" did, in its use of mob boss Carmine Falcone. It drew even more heavily from "Batman Year One."

[Agent_Dark]

On a budget, I'm afraid.

lol, well of course it's going to be different on a small screen with only DVD level of quality.

Actually, the biggest 'problem' I had with watching it at home is the swaps between the IMAX footage and the regular 35mm stuff. The IMAX stuff looks absolutely brilliant; huge sense of scale and fantastic detail. The 35mm stuff pales considerably next to it though, and I think it's even more pronounced when watching at home on a smaller screen (I'm watching on a 55" LCD). I didn't mind so much in The Dark Knight, since there were only a couple of full IMAX scenes, but The Dark Knight Rises has alot of IMAX shots which really spoil you when the next scene is in 35mm. I know there were reasons - on the BTS stuff they talk about how they tried to shoot as much as possible with IMAX, but dialouge scenes in particular are impractical due to the amount of noise the IMAX camera rigs make - but when they can develop those cameras a bit more and start shooting entire movies on them... :drool:.

[Mat001]

i been reading no mans land but so far it seems like Dark knight got a lot of its second half of the movie from no mans land.

what part of movie is like long halloween?

Only "The Dark Knight Returns", "Knightfall", "Knightquest", "KnightsEnd", "No Man's Land", "Vengeance Of Bane", "Bane Of The Demon" and "Legacy" are used as inspiration for this film.

[booyah]

i been reading no mans land but so far it seems like Dark knight got a lot of its second half of the movie from no mans land.

what part of movie is like long halloween?

Dark Knight drew a lot from TLH.

[Matt]

I finally saw Dark Knight Rises last night. I sat down, looking forward to a good movie after how much I loved Batman Begins.
Damn. I guess life is full of disappointments. Notes from my viewing, as I was watching it:

Someone told me 'The Dark Knight Rises' is a good movie.
Lying bastards. The plot holes so far and plot induced character stupidity are doing my head in. Some quick annoyances:
* Bane seems to command simply because he has an artificially loud voice
* Bruce Wayne's main characteristic seems to be a deluded ass.
* Bruce losing his fortune is incredibly stupid and ignores all manner of financial laws and regulations - not to mention the fact that the stock exchange was just very publicly screwed over so all transactions would be frozen until it was 100% sorted.
* Bruce sleeps with obviously evil chick.
* The power to Wayne Manor seems to have been shut off the same day Bruce lost his money.

How did they smuggle Bruce out of the USA in the presented time frame? Why is a referee's headset seemingly tied automatically and directly to the PA system?

They have the instruments to detect radiation remotely from a loooong way away but everyone failed to detect all the extra-ordinary construction activity happening all about the city.
You can't even put up a shed or carport (or cut a tree down) without a City council planning department noticing, so what happened here?

Bane is going from loud booming voice to, when reading Gordon's speech, to "clutching my own groin to speak highly pitched".

Note to self: You can fix a broken back by hanging from the ceiling by a rope. And hallucinating a little.

I keep expecting Lucius Fox to end up in the prison where Bruce is so he can say "Hope is a dangerous thing." ala Shawshank Redemption.

And Scarecrow, and appearing for no apparent reason, is sentencing the guppy mouthed bad actor from Torchwood. At least Alfred seems to have had the sense to get the hell out of this movie early.

He's (Alfred) in at the start and I'm guessing he'll make an appearance at the end. Just like I'm guessing the hero cop they've been building up for the whole film is set to be Batman II/Robin/Nightwing or something.

How does Bruce know the bomb is going off tomorrow? He's been somewhat removed from the situation and that's not a fact that would have been shown on his handy prison TV.

So the Police charge a veritable wall of heavily armed and well trained mercenaries and all of about ... oh, six? Actually get hit by bullets?

I could believe Bruce, with his ninja style training, could get into the city easily enough (though spending the couple of hours it'd take to set up the flaming bat sign with no one noticing is something different) but you have a good point about getting back to the USA.

I should note, at this point, I actually loved Batman Begins so it's not a Nolan-hate thing. This is just a really bad movie.
Oh. The fight coreography between Batman and Bane just now ... it's like they're both drunk or it's being filmed/directed by someone who is.

Now that Batman has stopped fighting like a retard and gone for Bane's mask, it does raise the obvious question - how, exactly, is that mask repressing Bane's physical pain that has been previously explicitly talked about as a major plot point? (hello, foreshadowing!)

So Batman gets stabbed by obviously evil chick (world's greatest detective, my ass). I wanted him to borrow a line from Firely "Curse your inevitable but sudden betrayal!"

Oh. And Gordon has to do the cliched Dramatically Drop The Plot Critical Device scene. They really didn't give a lot to Gary Oldman to work with here, did they?

Why did Batman look like he was being strangled when it's already been well established his neck area is reasonably armoured?

Huh. Now the cops and mercenaries are firing at one another, finally deciding melee is stupid, yet NOT ONE PERSON is actually taking cover of any sort. Indeed, the most garishly dressed cop is standing in the middle of the bloody street.

Batman is tied, with cord around his forearms. You know, forearms. The ones with gauntlets on them. With sharp knife type things on them. And has demonstrated the strength to bend gun barrels. And he needed Catwoman to help him get loose.

The truck with the reactor on it: It can take missiles in very close proximity and direct hits to the front and the paint isn't so much as scuffed ... but a short drop screws it right over. That makes sense!

Oh. The obligatory quit the police force by throwing your badge away scene. I'm sure that's recognized by human resources departments everywhere.

... well, it's now over. That was a REALLY bad movie. Expensive and full of (mostly) good actors but the script and direction ...

More occurs to me:
1) Is it ever explained how Levitt actually knows Bruce is Batman apart from 'hunch' or 'educated guess'?
2) Levitt is left with a cave, an eight year old computer and a spare Batman suit or two (which obviously wouldn't fit him anyhow). He has no training to be Batman apart from police academy 101. He does not have the resources to get a new Batman suit or get the existing ones to fit him.

3) The ever so secret entrance to the cave is three or four piano strokes. Which I hope no one notices the piano being wired to a bookcase when they rearrange/sell off the furniture.
Also having such a simple entrance in a house full of unceasingly curious children is not a recipe for success.
4) How is Bruce affording to live overseas without his fortune or resources of any kind? He looks comfortable enough? Is Selina supporting him? Through theft?
5) How does someone as famous as Bruce Wayne hang out publicly, even overseas, without being recognised?
6) How does Bruce know when, precisely, Alfred would be at that particular cafe in Florence? You know, the cafe that Alfred never actually said the name of. Or when he takes his holiday.