Benefits of integrating the Avengers and X-Men

[Scream]

Here's the overarching question though; will this integration of the two teams serve a higher purpose other than instant sales? How long before it gets broken up?

I'll say the cast lasts 3-4 years or so.

Whether they get replaced and the book continues or they don't and the book gets canceled, I can't say.

[trajikflp]

As long as theirs more random Wonder Man punching Wolverine through walls.

I'd go with repeated fire rape by Hope on Wolverine. Show him who's bitch he his.

[tigerkaya]

I'd go with repeated fire rape by Hope on Wolverine. Show him who's bitch he his.

Will have to rotate days Mondays, Wednesdays are Wonder man's
Tuesdays and Thursdays are Hope's
Fridays are shared between the two.

[trajikflp]

Me neither. I'm a comics fan, simply put. Always loved Avengers, used to love X-Men as much. X-franchise became way too convulted for my tastes, so I lost quite a bit of interest on it. Still love the Avengers, but hate what they've become under Bendis' pen. Don't want to write off the characters untill I see what Hickman will do with them, and if the love can somehow be rekindled. For now, Academy is the only thing I'm reading, plus some special projects, such as Hulk Smash.
I don't know much about the benefit of integrating Avengers and the X-Men, but, for me, the greatest loss, is that it'll never again be something special. In the past, when things were more compartmentalized (yet, IMHO, due to a better use of continuity, felt much more like a single coherent universe), meeting between the characters from different groups of franchises were always a big deal, a true "event". Now, it's run of the mill everyday happenstance. It's even become boring, sometimes. The other day, my wife and I were watching an NCIS: LA episode which guest-stared two members of the Hawaii 5-O cast. My wife's comment was: "I love when they do these kind of episodes. They feel so fun and special." I used to feel the same way about comics, and I feel this "integration" will only ruin a bit more these feeling in exchange for another book where you can stick in Wolverine. In my opinion, of course.

Peace

There's thing called money. Money pays for bills. Money pays for Jim Lee artwork. Money pays for the computer programs and the drafting tables used by people to create the artwork and the story for the comic books. The more money a company has, the more talent they could put into a book. The less money you have, the more crap artwork you get from Al Milgrom, John Romita, Jr, and Walt Simonson instead of Ed Benes, Alan Davis, Jim Lee, or Joe Madureira. Hence, the rivalry.

[trajikflp]

Will have to rotate days Mondays, Wednesdays are Wonder man's
Tuesdays and Thursdays are Hope's
Fridays are shared between the two.

With Hope's powers, I don't see why she can't work with Wonder Man. Like imbuing Wonder Man with fiery fists...so every day Wolverine gets violated repeatedly. Each panel will have Wolverine's internal dialogue with himself, psyching himself from not feeling the pain as a fiery fist pushes last Tuesday's meat loaf back into his large intestines...repeatedly. Magneto could get in on the action and just remove Wolverine's adamantium and shove it back into him...repeatedly. He can pick another orifice though since Wonder Man will be busy with his bottom. =P

[ariwl1]

In universe it's actually a logical step in Xavier's dream, X-Men joining Avengers to take on common supervillains? If you show mutants can be concerned for the affairs of all it could lead to greater acceptance of them. One of the X-Men's problems is that they tended to only concentrate mutant affairs and kept to themselves otherwise. At first this might have made sense as they hid from bigotry but as the teams all began interacting on a semi-regular basis, you could argue that being hidden in the shadows all the time like the X-Men were wasn't doing them any favors, especially when other groups like the FF and Avengers were so public.

In fact once or twice the X-Men tried to take on more public threats that public super groups would typically have gone after in hopes of improving their image, but this goal was always dropped quickly for the sake of drama.

[Sunstorm]

While I don't mind having the Avengers dealing with mutant problems, so long as they don't lose focus on the world itself. Especially since they have already have four teams.

[strathcona]

I am hoping it will allow the spotlight to focus on some less popular characters, and (I am dreaming here, I know) make it so that no character is on more than one team.

I wish there were an X-Men book which was just them having regular ol' superhero adventures without all the mutant angst. Not to say I'm the biggest fan of the current Avengers either, but not being able to read X-Men stings more.

Check out X-Factor.

In the past, when things were more compartmentalized (yet, IMHO, due to a better use of continuity, felt much more like a single coherent universe), meeting between the characters from different groups of franchises were always a big deal, a true "event". Now, it's run of the mill everyday happenstance. It's even become boring, sometimes. The other day, my wife and I were watching an NCIS: LA episode which guest-stared two members of the Hawaii 5-O cast. My wife's comment was: "I love when they do these kind of episodes. They feel so fun and special." I used to feel the same way about comics, and I feel this "integration" will only ruin a bit more these feeling in exchange for another book where you can stick in Wolverine. In my opinion, of course.

It seems like almost every book coming out from Marvel nowadays features a threat so 'big' that the main star(s) of the book aren't able to handle it alone, and have to call in the Avengers and the FF (at the very least) to help out. In the past, these heroes were able to take care of these threats by themselves, yet they all seem to have lost their ability to handle stuff on their own. It really makes other heroes showing up to help you out less special (as Nomads said), but also makes the heroes look less competent. I think this book is just going to continue reinforcing this trend.

[tigerkaya]

With Hope's powers, I don't see why she can't work with Wonder Man. Like imbuing Wonder Man with fiery fists...so every day Wolverine gets violated repeatedly. Each panel will have Wolverine's internal dialogue with himself, psyching himself from not feeling the pain as a fiery fist pushes last Tuesday's meat loaf back into his large intestines...repeatedly. Magneto could get in on the action and just remove Wolverine's adamantium and shove it back into him...repeatedly. He can pick another orifice though since Wonder Man will be busy with his bottom. =P

Sounds even better you can never have enough in seeing Wolverine in pain and humiliation.

[Sighphi]

If this is done so X-men people buy Avengers book or Avenger people to buy X-men it's not going to work.
One does not simply buy a comic book because theres a few characters screwing around somewhere else.
And why is Marvel messing with it's own fans? Try to get comic books folks that ARENT reading your comics instead of you trying to move your own people to other books in your line.

[AdamYJ]

Check out X-Factor.

I thought that was the noir book. I really don't do noir. Well, actually, I will read the occasional Philip Marlowe story, but I really don't do noir on a continuous basis. Anyway, I used to read X-Factor, but the whole thing just started to depress me. Everyone in it was lying to each other and keeping secrets.

I had high hopes for the adjectiveless X-Men title, but the first storyline (the vampire one) didn't win me over. The title I really miss (yes, still) is Claremont's X-Treme X-Men. That book was just a blast (at least while Larocca was on art).

[celticguy]

People have to be more positive there could be some great mixes of characters withthis book. I hope the line up is somewhat fluid so we get some of the secondary characters from both teams.

And for the haters well maybe you get to see Thor do a fastball special that sends Logan through the moon.

[direction9]

One does not simply buy a comic book because theres a few characters screwing around somewhere else.

yes they do, that's the entire point of character obsessives
but yeah, the reason is going to work is because the book is being written by a talented dude. also drawn by one.
book has nothing working against it, really. sorry.

[Majinoaw]

I think you have a great opportunity for some awesome stories - ones in which Marvel hasn't been able to pull off because of the divide. That being said - I really like the division between the teams. To me, that's the one thing that separated the X-Men from the other heroes. Whereas Vision, or Iron Man could be accepted, the Wolverine or Cyclops were feared and hated for who they were.

By combining these teams I think you're endangering the fragile protect a world that fears and hates us theme - and that to me is the sole justification for an X-title.

[direction9]

I think you have a great opportunity for some awesome stories - ones in which Marvel hasn't been able to pull off because of the divide. That being said - I really like the division between the teams. To me, that's the one thing that separated the X-Men from the other heroes. Whereas Vision, or Iron Man could be accepted, the Wolverine or Cyclops were feared and hated for who they were.

By combining these teams I think you're endangering the fragile protect a world that fears and hates us theme - and that to me is the sole justification for an X-title.

the thing is, no one really fears and hates mutants any more than they do other heroes 99% of the time. that divide just doesn't work in the marvel u, and when it gets reinforced it just always feels forced.
doing away with it (which this isn't even doing, as the first arc is about red skull targeting mutants specifically, and cap wanting to do more for the threats against mutants......these things are the exact opposite of losing the feared and hated thing that supposedly makes the xmen tick) is a better idea. there's nothing to lose.....that's not the thing that makes the x-men who they are. they will lose zero mystique.