The Gods were mainly worshipped for an assurance into the afterlife, the belief that they actively controlled nature and all aspects of society, and for wealth, luck, the bestowal of gifts, etc. They were also patrons of specific life-styles as well, for example the Cult of Artemis and the Cult of Dionysus, which were alternative lifestyles to Greek society. We have to remember that Greek religion was entrenched into the very core of who they were as a people. Diana probably feels a sense of identity with them because her way of life is so entrenched within Greek myth. In fact, a lot of our own concepts and beliefs are directly descended from Greek culture, society, and myth.
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Either way, my point was praying to God is not the same as interacting with God. You interact with friends and family, not God.
I'm not even gonna pretend to know what you're talking about here. But, please continue.and I'll say that God and I have a very fascinating background that did involve my interaction with God, but a long, long time ago, a time before the creation which you know
How so? And why would you think the written accounts of Enoch are historical?I'll just say the written accounts of Enoch is very fascinating and kind of familiar to me in such a way that it shocks me.
Why? Grant derived his story from angelic mythology. It's no less legit than what you'd find in the book of Enoch.I think you're referring to a Grant JLA story and seeing just parts of it completely changed my interest and reading anything more from Grant,
I think that has more to do with Christ's fanbase than Christ, himself.having Grant deal with Christianity obviously shows someone who very likely has disparaging opinions of Christianity
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "reality".Yeah, I suppose there are some inaccurate differences in the DCU, but differences from reality that are very critical.
"A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her."
"A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her."
The major problem for Dianas switch in that story was that she was still a person who was born by the powers of greek gods and still held belief in them for years. Now, if she was a person who's birth was without connection to them in any manner and she converts upon discovering this belief system, thats fine. Thats the else worlds tale that would make sense. But as a being who's sole existence is due to these gods (pre and post DCnU albeit in different fashions), it'd just be bullocks for her to switch beliefs in any story.
In order to make it work she'd have to have her whole origin changed dramatically.
Steve Rogers: You ready to follow Captain America into the jaws of death?
James Barnes: Hell, no! The little guy from Brooklyn who was too dumb not to run away from a fight. I'm following him."
Like hunters would very likely pray to Artemis for a good hunt.
Farmers to Demeter for a bountiful harvest.
Seafarers pray to Poseidon for a safe journey across the waves.
Athena, Ares and maybe Herakles would get some attention when a battle was about to be fought and so on.
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I'm not passing any judgments on anyone's decision to invest time in reverence, contemplation, what-have-you in any religious practice or myth system. I'm just commenting on aesthetics, ultimately.
As others have indicated, I think it is important to recognize that the Greek gods were meant to be abominable. The human relationship to the supernatural/gods in Greek culture was very different than what Christians believe of their relationship to their God. To the Greeks, the gods embodied all the emotions and vices of humans, as well as the capriciousness of nature. They were not inherently good or evil. They were worshipped as much to be assuaged as anything else and they did not necessarily inspire love or devotion.
The depiction of the gods in WW and Diana's relationship to them has changed a lot over the years. In Gail Simone's run, Zeus murders the Hawaiian god Kane in order to break Kane's patronage of Diana; when Diana learns of this, she slugs him. Similarly, in Perez's run, Zeus attempts to rape Diana. These acts and attempted acts are understood as evil, even when committed by the King of the Gods, and they are to be opposed.
Whether or not the gods are "gods" is an open question. To most of us, they are no more than powerful superbeings. In both Marvel and DC, however, the gods seem to be connected to some deeper, divine source. In Marvel, Thor seems to be a manifestation of mystical power that is linked to some higher divine force.
My feelings are that Diana could convert because Christianity is not a religion built on knowing God is real but in the belief that God is real. Diana has met her gods. There's no faith at work there. Different religions have different things that define them and to me Christianity has always been defined by faith. Faith that God is real, faith that Jesus who we never met died for our sins and faith we will be rewarded for a life lived in faith. So nothing about Christianity keeps Diana from becoming a follower. Probably not going to happen.
No, you clearly said that people pray at God to insinuate something, likely that prayers to God are a discretionary effort that's a waste of time because you are one of those whose prayers God probably does not acknowledge; my point was that my experience and a lot of other peoples' experiences are different, and different for a good reason.
My interaction with God involved some overlap with things which Enoch experienced while he was in Heaven and heading to commune with God (e.g. I knew the stipulation that no one can look upon God without facing death; that's applied to people); the rest of my story, however, is best left unstated, except to say that I'm here again because God is a merciful God (while Enoch was a person, I was not at that time; nor was I apart of the Angelic race; God was ancient even than, where it was perhaps trillions of years ago); I found the story of Enoch to be fascinating because it resembled something that I experienced after interacting with God and I was surprised that something in writing corroborated what I remembered, although, even without having read Enoch, I know my situation was real and that I should have fear about revealing too much of my experiences, lest I face real consequences; God is a merciful God indeed.
Grant material is much less legit than the material written about Enoch for the obvious fact that Grant is writing a comic book for entertainment value while the author of Enoch was writing what he believed to be historical record; as such, that goes without saying; I know you're being sarcastic, because, if not, based on how I've tried to explain stuff to you, there may not be much hope for you if you can't discern someone trying to write historical record from someone writing something for entertainment value to go with the flow of sales trends; and it's quite obvious why anyone would think Enoch has historical value and I believe you know those obvious reasons; that you disagree is a separate discussion, but state that you disagree rather than asking a patronizing question; I assure you, you cannot hurt my feelings or make my faith waver in a discussion about Judeo-Christian theology because God and I have such a special relationship with one another; I just see you and like people as running your hourglass and hope and pray that you come to your senses before it's too late, while hoping that something that I write can lead to such revelation; you've probably heard the saying that Heaven rejoices when just one soul is saved, so, think of my motives that way.
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However, I think people are attributing to Diana that her following religion is contingent upon interaction; again, it's just a depiction of Diana which DC has chosen to make about her.
And that's a lock.
I have repeatedly requested that people not discuss their own personal faith(s), but since that is continuing without any reference to Diana, then this discussion is at an end.
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