Baby Doll

[LEADER DESSLOK]

Such a tragic figure for a midget villain.

Who thinks she's even more fiendish than Big-Figure from Watchmen when it comes to DC comics midgets?

Don't call her a midget--names like that are probably what made the woman turn to crime. Besides, she's got deadly aim with that Gun-Doll of hers!

There, it's official, we have sympathy for the villain--that means DC HAS to do a Baby Doll\Two Face team up!

[GoldStarz]

Am I the only one that really likes this villain? She's every bit as ridiculous as The Ventriloquist but a girl!

But seriously, she wasn't a good 'villain', but she was an excellent woobie. Unfortunately, 'Love is a Croc' pretty much proved she's a one-use villain.

[nepenthes]

After the last Babydoll thread I watched a few clips and yeah, since then I've thought put her down as a villain. I see her as looking more aged though, a mean old girl in the body of a child. would be weird and wrong.

[marshal99]

Just like Baby Boom and Kritter from Helix.

[maxpower00044]

No, I don't like this character much.

[The Darknight Detective]

That final scene where she sees her true self in the mirrors and shoots them all, nearly brings tears to my eyes every time.

Yeah, that was easily one of the most moving scenes from that program.

[LEADER DESSLOK]

But seriously, she wasn't a good 'villain', but she was an excellent woobie. Unfortunately, 'Love is a Croc' pretty much proved she's a one-use villain.

I LOVE Paul Dini's revamp of The Ventriloquist and Mr.Scarface! This one actually is a better concept, it's a play on the old gangster\gun moll rift and it works even better! I don't no why no one thought of it sooner!

[LEADER DESSLOK]

After the last Babydoll thread I watched a few clips and yeah, since then I've thought put her down as a villain. I see her as looking more aged though, a mean old girl in the body of a child. would be weird and wrong.

I don't know if the writers of BATMAN:TAS did any research but there IS a rare disease which slows the normal growing\aging process because I vaguely remember seeing someone afflicted with the disorder on some talk show or other.

[TomServoFan]

Does she remind anyone of Darla Dimple from 1997's Cats Don't Dance? i did but i saw the Batman TAS episode first in 94 then saw Cats Don't Dance on HBO later when i was 16 as i enjoyed that as it was fun but i couldn't help but Darla Dimple reminded me of BabyDoll. Only difference is that Darla has a giant who reminds me of Mr. X from Resident Evil 2 for an assistant which is worse than having some kung fu broad as an assistant.

And who agrees with me that she's worse than Big-Figure?

[Choos]

Ok months and months later but I thought Baby Doll was a brilliant character and would love to have a Garth Ennis penned series about her on a murderous rampage through DC... even the new52.

[scary harpy]

But seriously, she wasn't a good 'villain', but she was an excellent woobie. Unfortunately, 'Love is a Croc' pretty much proved she's a one-use villain.

It proved she's better in some circumstances that others. How to empower her is the question.

Perhaps if she had a limited hypnotic/telepathic ability to inspire childish behavior in others. Maybe she could create deadly dolls.

Any other ideas to amp up her threat?

[T Hedge Coke]

I think milking her for self-harm/hate-generated empathy in a one-off story is probably the best you can do with her. As a recurring character, she'd probably just come off as pathetic.

Which, I suppose, is it's own option. Play her somewhere between the mermaid actress from Seven Soldiers, who kept self-harming for attention, and John Wagner's Blind Ballerina. Fushigi Yugi managed to get a lot of horror and emotional mileage out of a schoolgirl with tons of trauma and nothing to lose, after all, without really giving her super strength or anything, she was just really sad and crazy and what are you going to do, beat her up all the time for being troubled?

Batman can punch the hell out of the Joker, even when Joker is unconscious, because Joker physically provided a threat, but when you put that threat into the body of a child, it may be just as easy for Batman, but it's less likely folks standing by are going to see it clearly, including police.

[scary harpy]

I think milking her for self-harm/hate-generated empathy in a one-off story is probably the best you can do with her. As a recurring character, she'd probably just come off as pathetic.

I can not disagree.

Is there any way you can think of for her not to be pathetic?

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

If Damian were still alive, I would have liked to see her go up against him.

[MajorHoy]

It proved she's better in some circumstances that others. How to empower her is the question.

Perhaps if she had a limited hypnotic/telepathic ability to inspire childish behavior in others. Maybe she could create deadly dolls.

Any other ideas to amp up her threat?

Have her team up with Honey Boo Boo.