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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    The problem is it's not the 1980s when tag teams drew, they have, over the last decade, forgetten that tag teams use to draw.
    This is amazing in that HHH was apart of DX.
    HHH wants a good tag division though. And Rajin Singh has been pushing for a strong divas division ( and has been ignored)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gryhpon View Post
    HHH wants a good tag division though. And Rajin Singh has been pushing for a strong divas division ( and has been ignored)
    dude, F this HHH wants horseshit.
    HHH wants a divas division with women who can wrestle, but they put out a call for pretty woman with no mention of athletic ability.
    HHH doesn't want guys brought up without a plan and loves dean ambrose.
    Cesaro was brought up and did nothing for months, Dean Ambrose is doing dick.
    HHH wants more indie workers who know how to wrestle, Ryback is getting pushed.
    Not a single thing that has been written about what HHH wants except longer title reigns has come true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    The problem is it's not the 1980s when tag teams drew, they have, over the last decade, forgetten that tag teams use to draw.
    This is amazing in that HHH was apart of DX.
    Thing is, I almost don't consider DX a real tag team. Yeah, towards the end there they were tag champs and I thought that was pretty cool.

    But the Triple H/HBK version of DX for the most part didn't compete in the actual tag team division. They just feuded with single star (sometimes more than one) or Vince.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    dude, F this HHH wants horseshit.
    HHH wants a divas division with women who can wrestle, but they put out a call for pretty woman with no mention of athletic ability.
    HHH doesn't want guys brought up without a plan and loves dean ambrose.
    Cesaro was brought up and did nothing for months, Dean Ambrose is doing dick.
    HHH wants more indie workers who know how to wrestle, Ryback is getting pushed.
    Not a single thing that has been written about what HHH wants except longer title reigns has come true.
    I think the tag team division actually has gotten better, if that is indeed something Triple H wanted. I won't say it's comparable to what it was in say the 80's.... but it's been moving in a much better direction in recent months.

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    I never considered HHH and HBK an actual tag team either. More like another random bunch of names thrown together. Also they never seem to care much for the tag division
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legato View Post
    I never considered HHH and HBK an actual tag team either. More like another random bunch of names thrown together. Also they never seem to care much for the tag division
    That's because they cut promos on how they didn't care about the titles, because HHH is a douche, but they were still 2 big stars in a tag team.

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    Having worthwhile tag and women's divisons were two major contributing factors to TNA's blooming and individual identity.

    Once they got away from things of that nature, they became even more a WWE-lite fed. Not much reason to watch that when you can just cut out the middle man and watch the generally slicker looking E directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Grape View Post
    Having worthwhile tag and women's divisons were two major contributing factors to TNA's blooming and individual identity.

    Once they got away from things of that nature, they became even more a WWE-lite fed. Not much reason to watch that when you can just cut out the middle man and watch the generally slicker looking E directly.
    Theres also the X-Division. It was basically TNA pushing smaller wrestlers, which were opposite of what WWE did at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legato View Post
    Theres also the X-Division. It was basically TNA pushing smaller wrestlers, which were opposite of what WWE did at the time.
    Yeah, pushed in the same way the leight heavyweight and cruiserweights were, except for a very brief period, the x division wasn't the main event, it was just a thing on the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    The problem is it's not the 1980s when tag teams drew, they have, over the last decade, forgetten that tag teams use to draw.
    This is amazing in that HHH was apart of DX.
    i don't see the connection there.

    Quote Originally Posted by gryhpon View Post
    HHH wants a good tag division though. And Rajin Singh has been pushing for a strong divas division ( and has been ignored)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    dude, F this HHH wants horseshit.
    HHH wants a divas division with women who can wrestle, but they put out a call for pretty woman with no mention of athletic ability.
    HHH doesn't want guys brought up without a plan and loves dean ambrose.
    Cesaro was brought up and did nothing for months, Dean Ambrose is doing dick.
    HHH wants more indie workers who know how to wrestle, Ryback is getting pushed.
    Not a single thing that has been written about what HHH wants except longer title reigns has come true.
    you beat me to it there.

    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    I think the tag team division actually has gotten better, if that is indeed something Triple H wanted. I won't say it's comparable to what it was in say the 80's.... but it's been moving in a much better direction in recent months.
    i agree with the 1st part but not the 2nd. it's better because there are more than 2 teams now, but it's going in the wrong direction as what they are showing us is that 2 good singles wrestler will beat a real team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboinyamouf4sho View Post


    i agree with the 1st part but not the 2nd. it's better because there are more than 2 teams now, but it's going in the wrong direction as what they are showing us is that 2 good singles wrestler will beat a real team.
    In the case of team Hell No, you're talking about 2 main event level single wrestlers though. It's throwing together 2 former world champion. On a really good day, Kane's beaten 8 guys at once. From them at least, I can kind of buy it.

    Plus, right now I think they essentially have to carry the division because they're over and people give a dam. Rhode Scholars are getting over too, to the point I think they can carry the ball too when Hell No is ready to drop the belts. But for now at least, I think it's more important that a tag team that's drawing peoples attention carry the belts, than it is to give to a "set" team like say the Usos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    In the case of team Hell No, you're talking about 2 main event level single wrestlers though. It's throwing together 2 former world champion. On a really good day, Kane's beaten 8 guys at once. From them at least, I can kind of buy it.
    SD main event level, not RAW or PPV, but that's beside the point. IMO it shouldn't matter if you put together the best 2 singles wrestlers on the roster(especially if they don't like each other), give the real tag team the nod as tag team specialists. it won't make the main eventers look bad it just shows that tag team wresting is a different entity where team work is the most important factor.

    Plus, right now I think they essentially have to carry the division because they're over and people give a dam. Rhode Scholars are getting over too, to the point I think they can carry the ball too when Hell No is ready to drop the belts. But for now at least, I think it's more important that a tag team that's drawing peoples attention carry the belts, than it is to give to a "set" team like say the Usos.
    how are the real teams ever supposed to draw interest though if they're just fodder for makeshift teams like team hell no?? if you let a real team take the belts off team hell no instead of another makeshift team it will give them a pretty good rub. and lets not forget they telling us kane is carrying team hell no, so really it's kane and a weak link who's>all real tag teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboinyamouf4sho View Post
    SD main event level, not RAW or PPV, but that's beside the point. IMO it shouldn't matter if you put together the best 2 singles wrestlers on the roster(especially if they don't like each other), give the real tag team the nod as tag team specialists. it won't make the main eventers look bad it just shows that tag team wresting is a different entity where team work is the most important factor.



    how are the real teams ever supposed to draw interest though if they're just fodder for makeshift teams like team hell no?? if you let a real team take the belts off team hell no instead of another makeshift team it will give them a pretty good rub. and lets not forget they telling us kane is carrying team hell no, so really it's kane and a weak link who's>all real tag teams.
    I think the problem is that none of the real teams are drawing interest, hence them using the formula of putting together 2 wrestlers who are already over and aren't involved in the singles title scene as a tag team. It gets people to give a dam about the divsion, because it's using wrestlers that people give a dam about. If you can have at least 2 over teams (one heel and one face), you can essentially revolve the entire division around them by just throwing other teams at them.

    I think once the tag division as a whole is over enough to the point where people start giving a dam about it, you can give the belts less over teams. But right now while they're trying to generate a buzz, I think it makes sense to revolve it around a team like Hell No... arguably the hottest new thing going on right now. They deserve the spot they're in as long as they're what people want to pay to see.

    And I do think the division as a whole is benefiting from the spotlight they're helping to give tag team wrestling in general. In the short term at least, Hell No can do more for tag team wrestling than giving the belts to say Epico and Primo.

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    None of the real tag teams like the Usos/Epico and Primo/Prime Time Players cant get the spotlight long enough to garner attention. The only purpose to having a team like Hell No is to get over tag team like the Usos and Primo/Epico. Honestly, I find Rhodes Scholars to be a waste of Sandow and especially Cody's time. You cant just throw guys into a match in a division that isnt hotly contested. You have to build the title/division and then give these guys wins and storylines.

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    Someone on the board remarked on kenny king seemingly having dissapeared from TNA, and this lead to some stuff, which had meltzer posting the following
    "They consider him X Division.
    The people making the decisions now don't believe in X Division.
    Therefore he's got no role nor is anyone thinking of a role for him. Doesn't matter if he looked good or not in the ring. Sonjay & Jigsaw looked tremendous and management didn't care. They don't believe in small guys and have him categorized as such."
    Beared out by the almost complete lack of an x division.

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