TDKR is going to make Bane

[Choppa]

Actually Knightfall did have prologue events,Vengeance of Bane,Batman#689 and onwards,Tec #666,667 all of which are important when it comes to Bane.

He asked about Knightfall. That starts with Batman #491. The preceding events took place in prior issues. That's why #491 is Part 1 of the Knightfall story.

Scarecrow is getting his story in TDK,Croc is just...Croc and since when did Mad Hatter ever resonate with the audience?For a plot device Bane did pretty well even after Knightfall,only including comics ofcourse.

I never said Bane isn't going to be popular. I disagree that it is well deserved.

The Mad Hatter is typically considered one of Batman's better known rogues. If you were to ask Batman readers to list Batman villains, it's certain he would be mentioned.

[Mr. Holmes]

Yes I've read it. It starts with Batman #491 and doesn't include any prologue events.

Nope, it starts with Vengeance of Bane.

Again, fleshing out the origin doesn't really matter to mainstream viewers who are only exposed to the major plot points. That's the same reason why it doesn't matter whether the origin story is "stupid" or not.

So what matters to mainstream viewers? Dark Knight Rises? Sounds good enough to me.

[Jim Thompson]

See, I don't think TDKR will give Bane much of a boost, because in the film
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Bane's whole reason for being is inexorably tied to Ra's and Talia Al Guhl, so the comic version have to be radically overhauled to match it

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Of course, Vengeance of Bane II establishes that relationship in the comics.

[Mr. Holmes]

Of course, Vengeance of Bane II establishes that relationship in the comics.

And Bane of the Demon.

[Jim Thompson]

And Bane of the Demon.

Yep.

[David Walton]

I think you'd have to include Vengeance of Bane (and to a lesser extent, Sword of Azrael) as prologue events to "Knightfall."

They just didn't advertise them as such,which contributed to the surprise when the event kicked off.

[Jim Thompson]

I think you'd have to include Vengeance of Bane (and to a lesser extent, Sword of Azrael) as prologue events to "Knightfall."

They just didn't advertise them as such,which contributed to the surprise when the event kicked off.

The novelization certainly contains elements of both.

[Retro315]

Bane deserves it. It's also kind of cool to note how long it takes for a character to achieve this status, even if their original creation was meant to have lasting power and "A-List" appeal. Bane was created by Dixon and Nolan, on direction from Denny, to be this event-level Bat-breaker. 20 years ago.

Joker, Catwoman, Penguin and Riddler became household names 20 years after their inception. Poison Ivy gained notoriety about 30 years after hers.

Poor Scarecrow and Two-Face had to wait nearly the entire span of Batman's existence to get mainstreamed, but the payoff was pretty insane, considering they're two of the principle characters of Nolan's epic.

Joker wasn't dramatically redesigned after TDK because Morrison had the character on hold. Still, some of Morrison's changes (cut grin) were eerily similar to the TDK incarnation.

Meanwhile, the entire DCU wears movie-Batman style armor now. And frankly, Bane could USE a redesign. A smart redesign that incorporates more of his historical elements. For instance, I really didn't realize he was a Doc Savage pastiche, and that's amazing. And the South American revolutionary vibe of some of his clothes definitely worked its way into his new movie appearance.

There are a lot of David Finches out there who would just want to use Bane because he has a the visual niche of being the hulking muscle Bat-foe with an interesting look, and that's lame. If great Batman writers relish the thought of pitting Batman against super-criminals, then it's only fair to see someone like Bane get elevated to "super-terrorist". And just because he's a super-terrorist doesn't mean he should automatically get associated with Ra's al Ghul. There are plenty of kinds of terrorists out there. There's faceless organizations ... but there's also lone gunmen. Bane strikes me as a lone gunman (although I'd kill to at least see Trogg, Bird and Zombie come back).

[Cowtools]

Of course, Vengeance of Bane II establishes that relationship in the comics.

And Bane of the Demon.

Didn't know that. Now that choice in the film makes some more sense.

[jgiannantoni05]

[typed this is another thread]

I predict a coming bad identity crisis for Bane.

I think Bane fans will soon end up divided: the more redeemed Bane fans vs the villain Bane fans.

I'm a fan of both, but do lean towards Bane being villainous. My hope is that a writer will tell a great smoothing transition story of why Bane will go back to his more villainous take-over-Gotham-and-takeout-Batman goals. (Hopefully Finch's stuff will just be ignored)

[Retro315]

Oh he's got to be villainous. And really, even when Gail Simone (the last person to use him expertly) used him, was he really redeemed? He was still a sadistic, brutal murderer. His redemption was just that he finally managed to drop his obsession with Batman and leave it in the past. Being humane enough to a girlfriend and abandoning your weird hobby/grudge is hardly redemption from pure villainy. (And when he escaped at the very end of Simone's final issue of Secret Six, he'd actually not just grown as a character and human ... he "shed his concern" for his allies, cut all ties, and rededicated himself to his mission.)

And then they Finched him.

I'd like to see Snyder or Layman tackle him. (Though I'm stoked to see Snyder want to tell a solid Two-Face story post-Joker ... and Layman's smartly going for actual detective stories - so Riddler would be perfect over there.)

[jgiannantoni05]

His redemption was just that he finally managed to drop his obsession with Batman and leave it in the past.

Well then, maybe more to the point, there is probably gonna be a division then among Bane fans who want Bane to return to villainous Batman obsession vs those who do not. It wouldn't mean anything if Bane were a villain, but did not care about beating Batman.....unless we don't want him to be a Batman universe character anymore (and move on to to some other DC heroes).

The only way back to true villainy for comic Bane is to return to what some will argue is character regression...a return to Bane obsessing over Batman and/or Gotham.

For the record, I'm absolutely for Bane returning to Batman/Gotham obsession, but I'm sure a good amount of fans will not be for it.

[Bo-Man]

I suspect that the comic version will get a visual overhaul based on the success of Dark Knight Rises.

I agree... I see that happening soon.

[InfamousBG]

Bane has been a pretty big Bat villain (in my opinion) for many years now (in the comics). The take on him in the 1997 movie was awful. I believe the new Bane in Nolan's film will give him more of a fan base and maybe bring some new young Batman fans on and give a boost to back issues and the new Knightfall graphic novels. If DC was smart they would not go crazy with his character in the comics just yet. Dont burn him out for the next year or two. Use his character smart.

[Choppa]

Nope, it starts with Vengeance of Bane.



So what matters to mainstream viewers? Dark Knight Rises? Sounds good enough to me.

VoB isn't part of Knightfall. It sets up the character that appears in Knightfall, but it isn't officially part of the story.

What matters to mainstream viewers is what they are exposed to. If they only know of Bane from Knightfall and Batman and Robin, they obviously won't know about his origins if they were never exposed to them.