YJ Panel - TIm Drake and Jason Todd

[Fate's Faith]

I have to give it to Tim. No one would ever associate Red Robin with the name Robin.

[Mr. Holmes]

They gave Tim a color descriptor?

[MajorHoy]

Not really. He took the name because he was kind of forced out of being Robin and needed a tarnished reputation to avoid his activities being traced back to the rest of the family. He was in a dark place and hardly took the name as a triumphant statement of his independence. It was part of an editorially mandated change and it didn't really change much about the way the character operated. He'd operated on his own a lot as Robin, far more than anyone else.

People are getting way too hung-up on the name. It's not really important. Is him being called Red Robin REALLY all that different from him being a Robin? It's just a freakin' name. It's actually pretty much the same name he had. It just seems like such an overreaction. I could see Tim never referring to himself simply as Robin as a gesture of respect to Jason.

Besides, it's a different continuity. Not all of the last Red Robin series is in continuity.

Before the DCnU, there was a legitimate reason for the "Robin" name , not just "Random Kid Sidekick".

But I guess we really have to see how they handle all this in Teen Titans 0. After all, I don't remember any connections between Tim and the Olympics before, either.

[flamemasterelan]

I remember the first eighteen months after COIE were a bit chaotic as well. There was this weird "lame duck" period wherein CRISIS was over, but BATMAN: YEAR ONE, MAN OF STEEL, and Perez's WONDER WOMAN hadn't gotten going. *That* time, DC decided to just continue with the Pre-COIE continuity in a "lame duck" fashion until it all got hashed out later (for some characters, such as Hawkman and Donna Troy, it never fully happened).

This time, DC is doing it the other way: it eschewed the "lame duck" old continuity and just waddled into the new continuity, ready or not.

Things will probably settle down some in the coming year, especially if DC does something equivalent to its HISTORY OF THE DC UNIVERSE miniseries for the New 52.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Personally, I think with a little more time, DC will just drop that dumb five year timeline, which is really the only problem I see in the DCnU. Extend it to ten years, and you've got a working timeline. Though, I suspect that's not far from where we just left(last timeline I remember reading was in the back of a Nightwing issue, and listed Year 8 as the present year, but I can't quite buy that, since Batman Year One occurred before Barb was even born, and she was currently Oracle. Could've been Nightwing's eight year history, though, I just skimmed it).

Just extending the timeline to ten years should clear up a lot of their current continuity issues, while also de-aging the characters appropriately(Bruce would now be mid-30's instead of 50).

[Joseph_Kerr]

Personally, I think with a little more time, DC will just drop that dumb five year timeline, which is really the only problem I see in the DCnU. Extend it to ten years, and you've got a working timeline. Though, I suspect that's not far from where we just left(last timeline I remember reading was in the back of a Nightwing issue, and listed Year 8 as the present year, but I can't quite buy that, since Batman Year One occurred before Barb was even born, and she was currently Oracle. Could've been Nightwing's eight year history, though, I just skimmed it).

Just extending the timeline to ten years should clear up a lot of their current continuity issues, while also de-aging the characters appropriately(Bruce would now be mid-30's instead of 50).

true. 10 years may still not be enough, but its much better than 5. 5 is like ridiculous considering the amount of information theyre squashing into that tiny window.

[Mr. Holmes]

10 years works for me, though you still have to edit and compress a few things. It's funny that Young Justice's universe has Superman debuting "10 years ago" and yet they considered it to be a "young DCU" with respect to the main DCU before Flashpoint.

[DrSimonHurt]

No. Batman Inc. is out of continuity. Morrison is finishing his story. DC has been pretty clear about it too. They admit that Morrison gets to do what he wants. As long as this story is this good I won't complain.

BS.

Everyone who works on that book, including Mike Marts has specified that Batman INC is in the New 52. Do you not read the books or something? Batman INC has been referencing various events taking place in the other bat books. There are DIRECT timeline ties between Batman and Robin and Batman INC currently. You can't just make stuff up to fit your agenda.

If INC were its own continuity(ITS NOT), then it wouldn't even exist in the other Batman books.

They haven't cleared up how it all works and ties up because they don't really know themselves until they write the stories. That's just how it is.

BATMAN INC IS IN THE MAIN NEW 52 CONTINUITY.

Fact. Enough said.

[artemisn]

Tim is actually my favorite Robin. While I grew up reading Dick as Robin, I've always felt that Tim was a better Robin. It's so unfortunate that he is now being written in a series that allows little interaction with the rest of the Bat Family. I hate the fact that all of the little things that made Tim "Tim" are gone. I loved the fact that Tim was the one who discovered Bruce's identity. I loved the fact that Tim was the 3rd Robin. I liked the fact that out of all of Bruce's sons, Tim was more like Bruce. I've always loved the interaction between Bruce and Tim and Tim and Dick. I'm hoping that we will eventually get a Red Robin series. For now, I'll continue to buy Teen Titans, but I'm only buying it to get my Tim Drake fix.

[refrax5]

No that's just what you're suggesting.



Well I have the whole Tim Drake Robin series, and it was one of the very first comics I starter reading, and I hardly feel "slighted" by this. But then again, people seem to get peeved regarding their favorite characters way more easily than I do.

For sure. I started reading Batman around 92-93 and Tim was always the Robin I grew up with (outside of Grayson in the cartoons, movies, etc). I have most of Tim's Robin series and while I like all of the Robins, Tim is probably my favorite (with Jason as a close second). My buddy's favorite Robin is Tim as well and when we heard about this, both of us just kind of shrugged.

Characters get tweaked all the time in movies, cartoons, video games, etc. Hell, most of the Robins have had huge retcons in their origins in the comics as is. It doesn't really bother me.

[Master X]

So it doesn't bother you he barely exists in Bat comics anymore? That most of his continuity is gone? His Titans/YJ was just as extensive as his batfmaily one. Not that there's much of that left either. He may as well be called Jim, not Tim; the mystery new Robin between Tim and Damien's careers you never knew existed! It's just ridiculous. He's the Robin all the modern age grew up reading. Most of his career gets slashed, while the Robin that barely was (Jason) gets extended? <_<

[Aprillis]

... Just leaving this here:

[Mr. Holmes]

So it doesn't bother you he barely exists in Bat comics anymore? That most of his continuity is gone? His Titans/YJ was just as extensive as his batfmaily one. Not that there's much of that left either. He may as well be called Jim, not Tim; the mystery new Robin between Tim and Damien's careers you never knew existed! It's just ridiculous. He's the Robin all the modern age grew up reading. Most of his career gets slashed, while the Robin that barely was (Jason) gets extended? <_<

Are you trying to inveigle me into whining or what?

[Rakiduam]

How much of Red Robin is still in ontinuity? Is Tim still the majority stockholder of Wayne enterprises? Did the thing with Boomerang happen?

[OptimaX]

I know how to solve all this Tim-has-never-been-Robin idiocracy

Lobdell has never been a comic writer.

[artemisn]

How much of Red Robin is still in ontinuity? Is Tim still the majority stockholder of Wayne enterprises? Did the thing with Boomerang happen?

I've been wondering the exact same thing. And remember when everyone thought Bruce was "dead". Tim was the only one who wouldn't give up hope. Did that storyline happen?