Captain America #14 *Spoilers*

**Ed Brubaker** · 07-11-2012, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Vic Vega

Characters from Gru's run tend not to survive Brubaker's stories.

It is kind of a shock that Diamondback didn't die too.

Who else are you referring to? Nomad is from the Englehart and DeMatties runs.

Also, I didn't kill Bucky, that was Stan Lee, then 50 years later, Matt Faction, and the second one was a pre-planned fake out.

**Stars 'N Stripes** · 07-11-2012, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ed Brubaker

Who else are you referring to? Nomad is from the Englehart and DeMatties runs.

Also, I didn't kill Bucky, that was Stan Lee, then 50 years later, Matt Faction, and the second one was a pre-planned fake out.

Aside from Nomad (though 1950s Cap is questionable in itself...), who's died* during your run on [i[Cap[/i]?

*Probably also not including Steve Rogers, too.

**Codah** · 07-11-2012, 05:47 PM

Good conclusion. I'm really excited to see Bravo go down. More importantly, Brubaker's last issue is probably gonna be incredible.

**turtletrekker** · 07-11-2012, 06:08 PM

I'll miss D-Man. He was neither the brightest bulb on the string nor the stablest of personalities, but one could never doubt his sincerity or his heart of gold. RIP, Dennis.

**tommyman** · 07-12-2012, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ed Brubaker

Who else are you referring to? Nomad is from the Englehart and DeMatties runs.

Also, I didn't kill Bucky, that was Stan Lee, then 50 years later, Matt Faction, and the second one was a pre-planned fake out.

Whoops, my mistake on Bucky. Apologies to you and Mr. Fraction.
Now bring back Dennis!
Kidding.
If I were to complain about D-Man's D-mise, it would be that the artist seems to have Sharon only 20-30 feet away from them, raising the question of whether or not a kill shot was necessary, or could she have hit elbows or knees?
Well, knees, no. Cap was in the line of fire for them, but she seemed close enough to hit his arms, causing him to drop the shield.
Had she been depicted as further away, shoot-to-kill might have seemed the viable only option.
It's a minor quibble at best, but hey, it's the internet, and fish gotta swim.

**Crawford** · 07-12-2012, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by tommyman

Whoops, my mistake on Bucky. Apologies to you and Mr. Fraction.
Now bring back Dennis!
Kidding.
If I were to complain about D-Man's D-mise, it would be that the artist seems to have Sharon only 20-30 feet away from them, raising the question of whether or not a kill shot was necessary, or could she have hit elbows or knees?
Well, knees, no. Cap was in the line of fire for them, but she seemed close enough to hit his arms, causing him to drop the shield.
Had she been depicted as further away, shoot-to-kill might have seemed the viable only option.
It's a minor quibble at best, but hey, it's the internet, and fish gotta swim.

With Dennis being augmented I figured Sharon didn't want to take the risk an arm shot would be ineffective. Steve was fighting with a gun shot wound to his leg and D-man is much stronger..

It was a gloomy issue, but while Cap is down he is not out. It seems he is building a lot of anger and the resolve Cap showed on the last page has me excited for his eventual showdown with Bravo

**batmans_brother** · 07-13-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ed Brubaker

Who else are you referring to? Nomad is from the Englehart and DeMatties runs.

Also, I didn't kill Bucky

What do mean, you didn't kill Bucky? Winter Soldier #6 says differently because that's where you killed FRED DAVIS deader than dirt, shot by some red-coated commie flunkie you controlled, that your commie pal, James Barnes trained. And you even had to rub it in by smearing "One More Bucky Left" in blood on the wall above Fred's head. Fred Davis was a decorated war hero who bravely stood in for Barnes during the war and received absolutely no credit. James Asmus wrote a great arc involving Fred Davis in "Cap and Bucky" recently that involved Adam II where, in a touching moment at the end, Cap honored Fred by revealing a honorary statue that had been made of him and then you YOU KILLED HIM. Fred Davis. Bucky. Dead. By Ed Brubaker.

**Monty_Cristo** · 07-13-2012, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by batmans_brother

What do mean, you didn't kill Bucky? Winter Soldier #6 says differently because that's where you killed FRED DAVIS deader than dirt, shot by some red-coated commie flunkie you controlled, that your commie pal, James Barnes trained. And you even had to rub it in by smearing "One More Bucky Left" in blood on the wall above Fred's head. Fred Davis was a decorated war hero who bravely stood in for Barnes during the war and received absolutely no credit. James Asmus wrote a great arc involving Fred Davis in "Cap and Bucky" recently that involved Adam II where, in a touching moment at the end, Cap honored Fred by revealing a honorary statue that had been made of him and then you YOU KILLED HIM. Fred Davis. Bucky. Dead. By Ed Brubaker.

4 posts in and already with the crazy. this is going to be interesting.

**strathcona** · 07-14-2012, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by CMBMOOL

I mean even I can see that D-Man is a truly sad sack of a super-strength Superhero that was involved in one of Captain America's most difficult times and ever since then became a mental nutcase that got push aside with him clinging so desperately to his former partnership with Steve Rogers.

I mean seriously, does anyone want a guy that pathetic and nuts back alive in the comics ?

As Jaded Devil said, I find D-Man A LOT more interesting than most a-listers. Also, your description of him is just Bendis's misinterpretation of the character. As a fan of D-Man, I would rather see him dead than available for Bendis to continue screwing up.

**XPac** · 07-14-2012, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Crawford

With Dennis being augmented I figured Sharon didn't want to take the risk an arm shot would be ineffective. Steve was fighting with a gun shot wound to his leg and D-man is much stronger..

It was a gloomy issue, but while Cap is down he is not out. It seems he is building a lot of anger and the resolve Cap showed on the last page has me excited for his eventual showdown with Bravo

Yeah, when you've got legit metahumans it's always a question mark whether gun shots will even work sometimes.

And as harsh as it sounds, I think any real world soldier or police officer will tell you if you're going to shoot someone, you're going to shoot someone.

**Nomads1** · 07-14-2012, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Ed Brubaker

Who else are you referring to? Nomad is from the Englehart and DeMatties runs.

Also, I didn't kill Bucky, that was Stan Lee, then 50 years later, Matt Faction, and the second one was a pre-planned fake out.

Not an attack on you in any way, Mr Brubaker, but since you were kind enough to join us here, perhaps you might be willing to answer my question.
Why did you think it was necessary to kill D-Man? Emotional impact? You thought he was a worthless character? You found the character was good, but had reached a creative deadend, and decided to put him out of his misery? Better dead at your hand than mishandled by someone else? It will somehow be important down the road?
I mean, I got Jack Monroe. Didn't agree with it, still haven't forgiven you for it, but I got it. You were bringing in the original Bucky back (something that I never thought could be done right, but you proved me wrong), you wanted him to take out the stand in. But Dennis? I hope at least he gets a little bit more respect post mortem then I think you did give Jack, though (as sad and touching as his death story was).
Other than that, thank you for a great run. Have to admit that I lost some intrest after Steve returned, but these are tough times, and I have to spend my hard-earned money on only what I'm absolutely loving, still you gave me plenty of enjoyment with Captain America. I'm also a big fan of what you did in Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire. Wish you the best on your future endeavours.

Peace

**Rogersboy** · 07-14-2012, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo

4 posts in and already with the crazy. this is going to be interesting.

Yikes..stay away from this one Bru.

**klinton** · 07-14-2012, 01:17 PM

Not quite sure why people are not feeling this issue. It made me realize that it's not so much Ed's writing that's been off in the current run, but the art and colour choices.

I've been "meh" for a few issues now, but everything this month clicked. This felt like another classic Bru issue of Cap with balls to the wall action, emotional investment, and layers of intrigue.

**Destro777** · 07-14-2012, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Vic Vega

Characters from Gru's run tend not to survive Brubaker's stories.

It is kind of a shock that Diamondback didn't die too.

Originally Posted by Ed Brubaker

Who else are you referring to? Nomad is from the Englehart and DeMatties runs.

Also, I didn't kill Bucky, that was Stan Lee, then 50 years later, Matt Faction, and the second one was a pre-planned fake out.

Hah. Getting called out and put in your place by the very writer of said book is a level of ownage I'm not even sure is quantifiable.

**StoneGold** · 07-14-2012, 03:58 PM

I'm not even entirely sure Dennis is dead. If Ed wishes to correct, fine, but he tends to REALLY overkill when he kills people. Make extra sure you know they're kacked. Two shots to the back, if the dialogue had just said he was in the hospital, it would be totally believable. I'm wondering if the death isn't a fakeout to draw out the baddies.