Spider-Men #3 SPOILERS/Discussion!

[Balfro]

All in saying is that YES we have Gwen back. She is the Gwen character. But she's a different person. Look at the Peter clone at the Triskelion; he is Peter Parker, but not the one who died. This is the exact same thing. Think about it this way: imagine you died and were cloned. Your life is still over. You are no one experiencing ANYTHING but another person who looks like you and goes by yiur name IS. Whether or not you believe in a soul is beside the point. You must still believe in death. It's kind of been proven

This new Gwen might have the other one's memories, but she didn't actually experience them. Just like the first Gwen is no longer experiencing anything this Gwen is.

On a more philosophical note, say you do believe in souls and the afterlife. Peter and Gwen are probably hangin' out right now.

[Robbie_Jee]

The first time I replayed to your post was because I wasn't sure if you where arguing for or against the current Gwen being someone not the same Gwen as the original.

You assume too much.

The second time was to correct you because, a "person" isn't the same thing as a "character".

A character is a representation of a person or thing.

Lol. Look at what you just posted!

Originally Posted by http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...er?s=t&ld=1062
character definition

A person in a literary work. For example, Ebenezer Scrooge is a character in A Christmas Carol, by Charles Dickens.

And every time I reply, you edit your post. I find it tiresome so I shan't be continuing.

[Chaos_Alfa]

You assume too much.


Lol. Look at what you just posted!


And every time I reply, you edit your post. I find it tiresome so I shan't be continuing.

A person in the context of a literary work is a character. It's the same thing, but said the other way around.

Sorry for constantly changing my posts it's a bad habit

But I agree, we can drop this subject, because it seems we have come to a conclusion.

[kitonok]

To each his own I guess. I think Gwen is exactly the same and the eyes are an artist's error.

[DCfan101]

If Clone Gwen had 100% of all Real Gwen's memories, genetic material, thoughts and feelings, it would very much be the real Gwen.

Still doesn't make her Gwen. Just like clone Gwen of 616 is not the Gwen that was killed by the Goblin, just like Ultimate Jessica is not the same person as Peter Parker.

[DCfan101]

All in saying is that YES we have Gwen back. She is the Gwen character. But she's a different person. Look at the Peter clone at the Triskelion; he is Peter Parker, but not the one who died. This is the exact same thing. Think about it this way: imagine you died and were cloned. Your life is still over. You are no one experiencing ANYTHING but another person who looks like you and goes by yiur name IS. Whether or not you believe in a soul is beside the point. You must still believe in death. It's kind of been proven

This new Gwen might have the other one's memories, but she didn't actually experience them. Just like the first Gwen is no longer experiencing anything this Gwen is.

On a more philosophical note, say you do believe in souls and the afterlife. Peter and Gwen are probably hangin' out right now.

So much truth.

I think some people like to believe that a clone is the same person as the original, because if the original died and is not coming back, they don't like the idea of the original dying for good. I wonder, if another clone of Ultimate Peter was made, and was male, would many fans accept the idea that Peter is back from the dead, even though that technically isn't true?


Though i wonder if we will ever see that clone Peter (the one that has the scorpion suit) again, what ever happened to him? It would be interesting if he is released and becomes a hero, or even interacts with Miles.

[Balfro]

So much truth.

I think some people like to believe that a clone is the same person as the original, because if the original died and is not coming back, they don't like the idea of the original dying for good. I wonder, if another clone of Ultimate Peter was made, and was male, would many fans accept the idea that Peter is back from the dead, even though that technically isn't true?


Though i wonder if we will ever see that clone Peter (the one that has the scorpion suit) again, what ever happened to him? It would be interesting if he is released and becomes a hero, or even interacts with Miles.

My theory is that he's the new Venom.

[ShaunN]

I really enjoyed this issue, but entirely for the last page. I think that Bendis has done a great job with Ultimate Aunt May over the years and I've been looking forward to her conversation with Miles Morales in his book.

But I think that Peter coming to see Aunt May (and Gwen) was fantastic and made the book. And, for May and Gwen, it will probably help (once they know what is going on) to realize that, somewhere out in the universe, Peter lived and became one of the greatest heroes of all. At any rate, I am looking forward to the next issue. Doing those kind of scenes is something that, I think, Bendis excels at.

[tabo61]

This was a great cliffhanger with him pulling up his mask and he had tears in his eyes when he confronted Gwen and Aunt May.

[Robbie_Jee]

Can people please realise that I've been saying that Clone Gwen IS NOT the same Gwen who died. How can so many of you get that so backwards!? Look back at my posts now and wallow in your own stupidity.

Clone Gwen is a replica. Not the resurrected body.

If I have argued that she was the same Gwen, then please quote me. I think some posters on here have been arguing for much too long. Stick to the facts and stop making wild assumptions. If you don't understand something, ask a question. So far none of you have asked any questions regarding my posts, instead you've argued with me about something I wasn't even against you on in the first place. Never, never, NEVER have I said Clone Gwen was the one who died. However she thinks she is simply because she has her memories.

A certain heated Poster then comes out and starts arguing with posters WHO ACTUALLY AGREE WITH HIS SIDE OF THE DEBATE simply because I don't believe in the soul. That's just stupid.

Let me break it down for the naysayers. Even if the eyes were the correct colour, it might make her the exact copy, but she's still a copy.

[Robbie_Jee]

Still doesn't make her Gwen. Just like clone Gwen of 616 is not the Gwen that was killed by the Goblin, just like Ultimate Jessica is not the same person as Peter Parker.

It makes her the exact replica but she is still a replica due to the fact that she's a clone.

[HolySock]

More importantly, Bendis never explained HOW Gwen Stacey was brought back to life! I mean, they hint that Carnage absorbed her essence or whatever and they were able to resurrect her from that. But Carnage died...

So was it from her corpse? How does that work? Makes no sense dammit! Bendis should have slept in the bed he made or not killed her at all.

[Chaos_Alfa]

More importantly, Bendis never explained HOW Gwen Stacey was brought back to life! I mean, they hint that Carnage absorbed her essence or whatever and they were able to resurrect her from that. But Carnage died...

So was it from her corpse? How does that work? Makes no sense dammit! Bendis should have slept in the bed he made or not killed her at all.

I presumed some traces of Carnage where left behind on Gwen's body. When they used it to recreate Carnage the side effect was that it used Gwen's form as its default form.

[Genisstorm]

All in saying is that YES we have Gwen back. She is the Gwen character. But she's a different person. Look at the Peter clone at the Triskelion; he is Peter Parker, but not the one who died. This is the exact same thing. Think about it this way: imagine you died and were cloned. Your life is still over. You are no one experiencing ANYTHING but another person who looks like you and goes by yiur name IS. Whether or not you believe in a soul is beside the point. You must still believe in death. It's kind of been proven

This new Gwen might have the other one's memories, but she didn't actually experience them. Just like the first Gwen is no longer experiencing anything this Gwen is.

On a more philosophical note, say you do believe in souls and the afterlife. Peter and Gwen are probably hangin' out right now.

Yeah but questions like that also lead to questions like
" What happens to a person when they teleport from one station to another? Arent they technically diseased as a new being is formed?"

[Daybreak_st]

Bendis should have slept in the bed he made or not killed her at all.

I'm pretty sure you hit the nail on the head with this one. Bendis only killed her to follow the 616 arc of having Gwen Stacy die and Spidey blame himself. Only later on he realized it was a bad idea and wanted to bring her back. You will never get any more of an explanation that we've already received b/c "how" isn't really that important. He just wanted her back. So all this "debate" about who she is and if she's the real Gwen is entirely irrelevant.

Bendis brought her back b/c she was a great character and he wanted to keep telling stories with her. I think if he could go back in time he would simply have never killed her. But he can't. So the next best thing is to bring her back in a psuedo comic logical way then just treat her as if she never died. That's what's happened. He even went as far as using Tony Stark to confirm she's basically identical. Personally I think it was a meta way of saying "let's just pretend she never died and treat this as the real Gwen".