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    So I think that a woman can do so. Nobody understand a woman better than a woman does. It doesn't really matter if a male or female writers writes a female character like Jean Grey or Batgirl. WW is suppose to be the ideal woman and I feel a actual woman can write her better than a man can. Anybody agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild_Child View Post
    So I think that a woman can do so. Nobody understand a woman better than a woman does. It doesn't really matter if a male or female writers writes a female character like Jean Grey or Batgirl. WW is suppose to be the ideal woman and I feel a actual woman can write her better than a man can. Anybody agree?

    I don't think so. Gail Simone and Jodi Picoult's runs were lackluster, however Marston, Perez and Rucka's were great. That's not to say a woman can't write Wonder Woman well, I just haven't seen it done yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximum Impact View Post
    I don't think so. Gail Simone and Jodi Picoult's runs were lackluster, however Marston, Perez and Rucka's were great. That's not to say a woman can't write Wonder Woman well, I just haven't seen it done yet.
    For me, the problem with Simone's run wasn't that she couldn't get Diana's voice down--she definitely got it right...it was the actual stories she decided to do with Diana that were lackluster. Also, Picoult had to deal with a lot of lead-up to Amazons Attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild_Child View Post
    So I think that a woman can do so. Nobody understand a woman better than a woman does. It doesn't really matter if a male or female writers writes a female character like Jean Grey or Batgirl. WW is suppose to be the ideal woman and I feel a actual woman can write her better than a man can. Anybody agree?
    By the same token, no women should ever write male characters because they can´t fully understand what it is to be a man.

    No.

    it takes more than just "getting" the main character right, a writer has to juggle many talents, like being able to write convincing scenarios, terrifying threats, enthraling plots, subplots, dialogues, villains, etc, etc.
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    Not for my money, since history has proven that men and women are equally capable within the field of writing. Added I dont think any modern woman writer 'gets' Wonder Woman any better than any male writer, since WW as a character has little to no relation to the modern world as such.
    She from an iron age warrior culture that lives in a single sex society.
    She's a recent arrival in the modern world we live in.
    She has powers and abilities far above those of anyone else.
    She is a worshiper of ancient gods that are so real they might suddenly appear in her living room.

    For my money, the only think a generic female writer has in common with WW is the gender. The problem is that we haven't seen a female Morrison, Rucka Perez or Marston have a crack at her...which I suspect has something to do with the gender imbalance within the comicbook writer pool.

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    Can a Woman write WW better than a man can?


    That's like asking can Felicia Henderson write a better WW than Dan Didio.
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    By that logic, only superheroes should be writing about superheroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild_Child View Post
    So I think that a woman can do so. Nobody understand a woman better than a woman does. It doesn't really matter if a male or female writers writes a female character like Jean Grey or Batgirl. WW is suppose to be the ideal woman and I feel a actual woman can write her better than a man can. Anybody agree?
    Find me two women who agree on what the ideal woman is first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild_Child View Post
    So I think that a woman can do so. Nobody understand a woman better than a woman does. It doesn't really matter if a male or female writers writes a female character like Jean Grey or Batgirl. WW is suppose to be the ideal woman and I feel a actual woman can write her better than a man can. Anybody agree?
    In terms of the character's inner feelings, I can understand exactly what you're saying, although I disagree with you trying to make the point by singling out Wonder Woman; it's also about the surroundings, also, but, in terms of what her reaction might be internally and on an emotional level, I understand exactly what you're saying; generally, the female writers had to deal with male editors while Perez had a female editor; in terms of men, having extensive exposure and experience with women can play a huge factor, but still, at some level, what you say makes a lot of sense; a solution that I can think of would be having a female and male co-write female characters such as Wonder Woman, where the male first deals with the action and scenarios with villains, while the female writer than deals with the emotional response of the character through monologue; with this combo, I'd really like to see how a female writer would address Wonder Woman's inner feelings with modern updated, Marston bondage scenarios; I do understand that there's sales to consider, but leave that stressful part to the male co-writer in developing the scenarios for the stories; question would be, would a female agree to be such a co-writer?

    On the other hand, because I like to see how women perceive men, I don't think this scenario is necessary for a woman trying to write a male character; it seems to be shifting the equality balance a little, but, since so much is known about the thoughts of men in media, compared to women, I think such a reversal is necessary.

    It's an interesting development to see women say that Perez and Rucka got Wonder Woman, while having a different opinion of other writers such as Messner-Loebs; I like Messner-Loebs run probably due to the story scenarios, which seems to be me on a subconscious level because I know that it's just not yet possible for me, as a male, to really get what a female is thinking there in that situation; my favorite writer on a very much more complete level is Toshio Maeda; I don't think he strives to try to get the female character, per se, he just focuses on the scenario to place her within, which is about the only thing a male writer can do with a female character; it would be good if males would stop presuming to say a male writer just got Wonder Woman; what do you mean and how do you know as a male poster? It's not really something you can presume to say and be so certain about.
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    That's the kind of thing that hurts me bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don-Jack View Post
    That's the kind of thing that hurts me bad.
    What kind of thing hurts you so bad? Or, were you referring to another post? I Didn't mean to hurt anyone, but I was expressing what appears to be most logical.

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    The thread. "Any woman could write female characters better than men". Sexism as its best.
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    A good writer can write a better wonder woman no matter their sex.

    Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild_Child View Post
    So I think that a woman can do so. Nobody understand a woman better than a woman does.
    This reminds me of the beginning of a lot of really hot fan fiction.... wink wink.

    Actually, a skilled woman writer could add a lot to a female superhero by giving the character more of an female authentic voice. She could take plots and suggest different tactics and resolutions in ways that occur more readily to females. Women and men do think differently and approach problems differently when you study the groups over large numbers of individuals. Nobody in a heterosexual marriage can honestly contest this. However, the difference between individuals is more pronounced than the difference between groups. So there is a huge range for any fictional character.

    But with Wonder Woman, she is such a developed and defined character, it would be hard to really do too much. Look how people react to the present incarnation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don-Jack View Post
    The thread. "Any woman could write female characters better than men". Sexism as its best.
    Yeah... this is all too believably ignorant.

    dshipp17's first post was a good example of that, in that they weren't trying to be offensive but repeatedly referred to gender stereotypes as if they not only had a bearing on reality, but were actually natural. I mean, saying a man should handle the "doing" while a woman handles the "feeling" is incredibly sexist, based on known falsehoods and offensive to both. At the same time, I understand that this was an innocent suggestion that just happened to be a regurgitation of prevalent biases in our society, but that just makes me more aggravated by it.

    Women are just %&*% people, dammit! They're not Rubik's Cubes that can only be understood by their own kind!
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