And yes, I too often wonder when Sim is using Cerebus as a teaching tool and when he's blurring Cerebus with aspects of himself (whether intentionally or otherwise). Truly, though, when dealing with a creator like Sim, I find it healthier to not give a f*ck what his intentions were and just enjoy the brilliance that occurred, whether intentionally or otherwise.
Still, I think if you asked Sim at the time (who the heck knows what he'd say now), he'd tell you that Jakka was a pretty special person as far as females go (the end of Guys and much of Going Home clearly illustrated this), and only weak men (whether Rick or Cerebus) ruin her by allowing her to have too much control.
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(Also, to fit in with the thread, in Grandville Mon Amour, Talbot has Le Brock walking through a prison block when he encounters Arthur Porcterre (roughly, "Earth Pig") who rants, "Yes, I killed those bitches! Why don't you believe me? All women are succubi in mortal guise! They leech our superior aetheric fluids!")
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I agree. Even during his later period, you see some subtleties to Jaka's character even when Sim is *trying* to make her unlikeable.
There's a scene-- hopefully I'm remembering this correctly-- in which Jaka and Cerebus' warrior-buddy Bear are alone in a saloon. They don't like each other and don't speak, but Bear shows his contempt for Jaka by blowing cigar-smoke in her face. I get the sense that CONSCIOUSLY Sim wanted readers to cheer Bear and laugh at Jaka as she flounces out of the room. On the contrary, I sympathized with Jaka and thought that Bear-- whom Sim sometimes portrays as some ideal of masculinity-- came off as a total asswipe.
I have a few issues of the Cerebus run. And a few are ones that had comical parodies of Archie Goodwin , Jim Shooter , Mick Jagger and Keith Richards involved.
"Heads up-- If Havok's position in UA #5 really upset you, it's time to drown yourself hobo piss. Seriously, do it. It's the only solution." - Rick Remender
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It's not about men and women being incompatible; its about selfish asses being hard to live with. And after all, even Cerebus and Bear's manly bromance ended badly!
I think I just don't get Cerebus.
I've been trying to get through High Society, apparently the pinnacle of the series along with Jaka's story, for awhile, its just not enjoyable for me to read.
It's not like I don't understand the references or politics.
It's just like, not that funny or exciting enough to make me want to read more. And also at times it seems extremely pretentious, for example there's one scene early on where Cerebus plays an imaginary card game for a week with two guys-a card game that Dave Sim made up, and then Dave Sim writes a page explaining the rules of the card game so that we could understand the comic and what was happening.
Or when Cerebus disappears into metaphysical dream land and spends page after page interacting with a voice in his head.
I mean it's extremely clever and a great way to help build the world, but its just not enjoyable for me to read that.
The ideas in Cerebus, the way it's written, the way the story is told and the sheer length are incredible. Dave Sim is definately a genius and one of the greatest cartoonists of all time, I dunno why though, it's just not interesting for me to read.
I understand what you mean, de sosa. You are right with what you say, its brilliant but its not enjoyable for everyone. I like it sometimes, but the rules of the card game not so much, or later things in the last volumes.
Well the Card game rules was just one page - and only included because Sim said people were writing in asking to know how to play diamondback.
The trip through his subconcious was pretty boring because I had no real idea who all the people and sects were which him and Po were talking about although there were some lovely panel layouts. I think if i had been buying it in single issues then that issue would have made me stop and think before picking up the next one but after that little interlude (which was a good idea in theory) then the Debts issue was excellent. Only 1/4 of way through second trade but loving all the politics and finance plots and the hotel setting.
"...so Hitler sends Iron Jaw's son to America to get revenge on Crimebuster." S.H.
read the whole thing...enjoyed it until rick's story, which from then on it became kind of a chore...
still, for any comic fans looking for a challenge, i'd say to go ahead and read the saga...