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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp0708 View Post
    Wait, how could Hope become the Scarlet Witch?
    She could tie a lock of hair (that she ripped out of Wanda's bloody skull) around her wrist, and power-mimic her.
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    I am fine with the Scarlet Witch being either Hope or Fongji.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp0708 View Post
    Wait, how could Hope become the Scarlet Witch?
    We have seen hints and also blatantly told that the two are intrinsically related, most notably in Avengers vs. X-Men and in The Life and Times of Lucas Bishop. Hope was created in spite of, and in response to, the Scarlet Witch's eruption in House of M.

    The Phoenix Force represent order with Hope as its primary avatar, while the Scarlet Witch is the avatar of chaos, represented by her Hex Field. They share a cyclical relationship, always set forth to create and destroy as a cosmic ouroboros.

    How we end with the result of the new Scarlet Witch being Hope is a mystery, but it would stand to reason that the two combine. We know already from solicitation that the two will fight each other, but then join together to right the wrongs brought on by the events beginning in Disassembled.

    Meanwhile, somewhere in the distance, Layla Miller, who should represent nature in the conflict of chaos and order, goes completely neglected and ostracized from the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quillero View Post
    She's a walking plot device, emotionally stupid and Wolverine wants to stab her. She just needs to fuck a toaster.
    You told me she's your favorite Avenger! Unless that was someone else. This is like a knife in my back!

    Does it matter what Wolverine thinks? I thought we all agreed that he's terrible. He's been betraying mutantkind since Claremont.

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    If it is Hope, then it explains why Rogue is there: she's Hope's slave.
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    I definitely want to read more Hope and Rogue. It's too bad they didn't hang out more in Gen Hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet Silence View Post
    We have seen hints and also blatantly told that the two are intrinsically related, most notably in Avengers vs. X-Men and in The Life and Times of Lucas Bishop. Hope was created in spite of, and in response to, the Scarlet Witch's eruption in House of M.

    The Phoenix Force represent order with Hope as its primary avatar, while the Scarlet Witch is the avatar of chaos, represented by her Hex Field. They share a cyclical relationship, always set forth to create and destroy as a cosmic ouroboros.

    How we end with the result of the new Scarlet Witch being Hope is a mystery, but it would stand to reason that the two combine. We know already from solicitation that the two will fight each other, but then join together to right the wrongs brought on by the events beginning in Disassembled.
    When you put it like that I don't see how this can not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coveredinbees View Post
    You told me she's your favorite Avenger! Unless that was someone else. This is like a knife in my back!

    Does it matter what Wolverine thinks? I thought we all agreed that he's terrible. He's been betraying mutantkind since Claremont.
    She was back then during Busiek/Perez.

    Children's Crusade and that South American Nazi ruined her for me.

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    F**K YOU ARCHITECTS, AND F**K YOU, MARVEL COMICS!
    Hope as NuJean didnīt work, so they are going to turn her into NuWanda...what the f**K? You canīt make a new character interesting, so you leech the popularity of old, established, cherished characters, and create a frankensteinian monstrousity trying to trick the fans into liking her? Why donīt you just try for once to create a good character with a good story?
    Hey, I have a good idea? Why donīt you make X-23 the new Captain America? Or you could give the Patriot kid Wolverineīs claws! Yes, the stupid fans will fall for it!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quillero View Post
    She was back then during Busiek/Perez.

    Children's Crusade and that South American Nazi ruined her for me.
    Children's Crusade doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habis View Post
    F**K YOU ARCHITECTS, AND F**K YOU, MARVEL COMICS!
    Hope as NuJean didnīt work, so they are going to turn her into NuWanda...what the f**K? You canīt make a new character interesting, so you leech the popularity of old, established, cherished characters, and create a frankensteinian monstrousity trying to trick the fans into liking her? Why donīt you just try for once to create a good character with a good story?
    Hey, I have a good idea? Why donīt you make X-23 the new Captain America? Or you could give the Patriot kid TWolverineīs claws! Yes, the stupid fans will fall for it!.
    I'm sensing you don't like this prospect.
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    I haven't seen the f word used so much on CBR as the past 2 days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Habis View Post
    Hope as NuJean didnīt work, so they are going to turn her into NuWanda...what the f**K? You canīt make a new character interesting, so you leech the popularity of old, established, cherished characters, and create a frankensteinian monstrousity trying to trick the fans into liking her? Why donīt you just try for once to create a good character with a good story?
    Hey, I have a good idea? Why donīt you make X-23 the new Captain America? Or you could give the Patriot kid Wolverineīs claws! Yes, the stupid fans will fall for it!.
    Rogue as new Ms Marvel, it works, she can perma absorb Carol. Rogue's fans will be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habis View Post
    F**K YOU ARCHITECTS, AND F**K YOU, MARVEL COMICS!
    Hope as NuJean didnīt work, so they are going to turn her into NuWanda...what the f**K? You canīt make a new character interesting, so you leech the popularity of old, established, cherished characters, and create a frankensteinian monstrousity trying to trick the fans into liking her? Why donīt you just try for once to create a good character with a good story?
    Hey, I have a good idea? Why donīt you make X-23 the new Captain America? Or you could give the Patriot kid TWolverineīs claws! Yes, the stupid fans will fall for it!.
    Legacies keep the story going while updating it for a new generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coveredinbees View Post
    Children's Crusade doesn't matter.
    You still need to handle that cancer in the fandom tho. It's not easy but it can be done. No one even remembers KusaSan now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Home made ectoplasm View Post
    When you put it like that I don't see how this can not happen.
    I had to add the part about Layla Miller, and how she should have or could have represented nature in the triumvirate, which is to say it is a shame she is shuffled away in a book that does not come very close to the event she was essentially made for.

    Quote Originally Posted by darknessatnoon View Post
    If it is Hope, then it explains why Rogue is there: she's Hope's slave.
    This is another interesting point. Mystique, Rogue, and Hope have a relationship that is close, yet largely unspoken of. There is foundation and nuance, and it would be a great service by the writer who revisits this.

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