The Mighty, Mighty Infinite Consolidated One-Stop New 52 Complaint Thread

[Paladin King]

Other than Green Arrow and Superman being screwed, the reboot was relatively ok.

And it's not exactly like either were in tip-top shape before the reboot. I honestly can't really say that the reboot hurt them any worse.

Meanwhile, Wonder Woman hasn't been this strong since Rucka. And this after JMS' mess. And while the book has its critics, Justice League is much better than it was pre-reboot

Really, imo, the only things to cry about are the loss of Stephanie Brown's book and Secret Six. And really, that's more than off-set by what we've gained (the best and most popular Wonder Woman in a long-ass time, the entire Dark line, greater genre diversity, Aquaman.)

It leads me to believe that those still whining are either readers who are more concerned with continuity than the actual quality of the stories and comics they're picking up. That or they're just that breed of person hellbent on focusing solely on the negative. Or they're die-hard Stephanie Brown fans (and to be fair, I do feel a bit bad for those poor bastards).

[Jadenewt]

Really, imo, the only things to cry about are the loss of Stephanie Brown's book and Secret Six.

The current Batgirl book is selling twice the books as Stephgirl was at the end.. and Secret Six was under 20k.. So I don't know that DC would really consider them a loss..

[davidn15]

This line gets quite old.

The truth never gets old

Constant complaining does.

[Mr. Holmes]

The current Batgirl book is selling twice the books as Stephgirl was at the end.. and Secret Six was under 20k.. So I don't know that DC would really consider them a loss..

Since this thread is about fans getting mad, I don't think he meant money when he says loss. Detective Comics is selling better now than before the relaunch but the writing has been garbage.

[davidn15]

Since this thread is about fans getting mad, I don't think he meant money when he says loss. Detective Comics is selling better now than before the relaunch but the writing has been garbage.

Even as someone who enjoys TEC I can't say it's without its problems. Hopefully Layman will be an improvement.

[Jadenewt]

Since this thread is about fans getting mad, I don't think he meant money when he says loss. Detective Comics is selling better now than before the relaunch but the writing has been garbage.

Which occasions the point that writing changes and more innovative creators would not have driven up sells contrary to the opinion of some reboot doubters.

Simple truth is that people were going to be mad no matter what DC did. Just like Comic Shop Owners were mad about same day digital but they forgave DC once the increased sells started rolling in.

[KingofMadCows]

I had no problem with the reboot but I was very disappointed by it. There's just a complete lack of creativity or ambition. A lot of the things they did were just plain lazy and forgettable.

For example, the thing that I was most disappointed with was what they did with Darkseid. They turned a scheming deceitful mastermind who crafts intricate plots to break his enemies psychologically and seduce heroes with the power of evil into a generic evil warlord who comes in and smashes things up like a dumb brute.

[Mr. Holmes]

That's an unfair evaluation of the reboot. Darkseid in the Justice League arc just says more about how lazy Johns is being as a writer. It has little to do with the indie writers who are doing creative things in the Dark line or the Morrison Action or Azzarello WW.

[Comeuppance]

I never got angry, never threw a tantrum, I just walked away. The old DCU will return eventually, in some way (you're foolish if you think it won't), and I'll be back when it does. Until then, there are other companies that I think are offering a better product right now.

[KingofMadCows]

That's an unfair evaluation of the reboot. Darkseid in the Justice League arc just says more about how lazy Johns is being as a writer. It has little to do with the indie writers who are doing creative things in the Dark line or the Morrison Action or Azzarello WW.

That's just one example. There are plenty of other problems like Starfire, Mr. Freeze, JLI, GL, etc.

In fact, my biggest problem isn't the bad writing, it's just how forgettable everything is. I barely remember any of the things I've read. Even the "good" ones like Wonder Woman. Whenever I try to remember something from WW, I just keep thinking of stories from Lucifer.

[Bricolo]

We are not the vocal minority, we are the voice of the silent majority.

[Mr. Holmes]

That's just one example. There are plenty of other problems like Starfire, Mr. Freeze, JLI, GL, etc.

In fact, my biggest problem isn't the bad writing, it's just how forgettable everything is. I barely remember any of the things I've read. Even the "good" ones like Wonder Woman. Whenever I try to remember something from WW, I just keep thinking of stories from Lucifer.

The thing is, I actually agree with most of your examples, but yet those are still minor compared to the positive things from the 52. So yeah I think you're being unfair.

[LJ-90]

I'm not really good writign long posts so I'll quote a blog I think really explains some of the problems some people (myself included) have with the New52.

So I don't exactly know what DC wants Superman to be in this new universe.

For me (and many others I presume), Superman is the guiding light for the heroes, their inspiration, their role model. And he should be that not only for the heroes but for plain old people too. We all should strive to do what's right for others.

Unfortunately, in this darker DCnU, so far he seems to be distrusted, an Ubermensch that people expect to try to overrun them. That is simply not Superman.

And panels like this simply drive home this wrong point. A shadowy Superman, only his eyes visible, talks about how people should trust him. Superman should always be in the light.



As if that panel wasn't bad enough, we get this one. Green Lantern comes right out and says he doesn't trust Superman. Maybe I could chalk that up to Hal being Hal. But he talks about Superman 'floating behind' all the time. Again, this conjures up that overseeing overlord image.

And worse, Superman actually IS floating!

Superman shouldn't float like this. He'd have his feet on the ground. He would consider himself just a regular person who happened to be blessed with powers. He wouldn't laud it over people. He wouldn't want to float. He would want to walk next to the person next to him. No one is above the other when everyone is working to benefit the whole.

This characterization - both people responding to Superman and of Superman himself - is so wrong, it makes me wonder if I even want to continue reading this book. And it seems so off coming from Johns who shined in his time on the Superman books.

Now, I don't "hate" the new52. I don't complain that much. I don't start threats or say how much everything sucks. I read Action Comics, but I don't love it. I loved issue 9, that for me was a truly great Superman tale. But it wasn't about this version of Clark Kent, and that made me a little sad.

I like some comics, I find some of them cool, but it doesn't feel the same I guess, I don't like this Superman the way I liked the old one, but I can see that DC wanted (or needed) to sell more so, it's okay I guess.

Some people hate it. Some people love it. Some people, like me, are still reading but just finding things cool but not really loving the books, just seeing them like a cool action movie.

At the end, more power to DC (and more money too). And for all those who truly love the new universe, that's great too.

My only truly complain it's that DC should say that all the old stories still happened, but now that universe is "earth 40" or something like that, I think that would give some fans closure instead of just saying "never happened".

[davidn15]

My only truly complain it's that DC should say that all the old stories still happened, but now that universe is "earth 40" or something like that, I think that would give some fans closure instead of just saying "never happened".

what's stopping you from just taking that stance anyway though you know? like I don't expect DC to line out every earth in the multiverse

[KingofMadCows]

The thing is, I actually agree with most of your examples, but yet those are still minor compared to the positive things from the 52. So yeah I think you're being unfair.

Well, I don't have the time or the desire to buy and read everything DC publishes and even though I've read quiet a bit of the New 52, especially all the bigger titles, I haven't really found anything that impresses me.