Hickman & Epting's "New Avengers" Quietly Joins Marvel NOW Relaunch

[Zen-aku]

Those two aren't even that well associated in street level. As I said street level heroes have no place in actual super hero teams. There the vigilantes that prowl rooftops looking for crime on the streets. There place is only on street level
But seeing as how where going no where with this. Best leave this as agree to disagree.

you mean like cap and hawkeye do all the time?

also your view is horrendously narrow, and flat out boring.

[tigerkaya]

you mean like cap and hawkeye do all the time?

also your view is horrendously narrow, and flat out boring.

The same to you on your narrow view, that Wolverine belongs to the Avengers.
He's an X-men or street level end of story.

[Zen-aku]

The same to you on your narrow view, that Wolverine belongs to the Avengers.
He's an X-men or street level end of story.

how is my view narrow, my view leaves an opening for plenty of possibilities, where yours limits the characters to little boxes


i don't think you know what a narrow view means.

[tigerkaya]

how is my view narrow, my view leaves an opening for plenty of possibilities, where yours limits the characters to little boxes


i don't think you know what a narrow view means.

Perhaps your right. But I still stand by that Wolverine is not an Avenger.
His very methods and psyche profile suggest he's street level. He's better suited in the X-men for the fact they've embraced his ideology. Guys like Wolverine they have no buisness in the Avengers because it'll slow him down
Only way he can be written in the team is for writer write him off as a completly different character. Oh wait they did. Which is why I resent this version of Wolverine today.

[DattaBoy]

Perhaps your right. But I still stand by that Wolverine is not an Avenger.
His very methods and psyche profile suggest he's street level. He's better suited in the X-men for the fact they've embraced his ideology. Guys like Wolverine they have no buisness in the Avengers because it'll slow him down
Only way he can be written in the team is for writer write him off as a completly different character. Oh wait they did. Which is why I resent this version of Wolverine today.

A good enough writer can make any character stick in what ever environment the story calls for, part of the reason World War Hulk was so good.

[classicgmer]

I hope those speculating the New hook for this latest volume of New Avengers will feature Avengers Academy + Young Avengers are wrong Both sets of those characters bore the hell out of me & would constitute an automatic drop from me of NA.

[Zen-aku]

Perhaps your right. But I still stand by that Wolverine is not an Avenger.

which is an opinion, your opinion could be the moon is made of cheese you would still be wrong, he has been an avenger for nearly 10 years this is a fact

His very methods and psyche profile suggest he's street level.

so are Hawkeye and Cap then

Guys like Wolverine they have no buisness in the Avengers because it'll slow him down

it hasn't so far, infact in AVX and Civil war he been the only Avenger keepign his eye on whats important, or did you miss how he was the only avenger who cared that the actual culprit of Stanford was on the loose?

Only way he can be written in the team is for writer write him off as a completly different character. Oh wait they did. Which is why I resent this version of Wolverine today.

wrong hes the same character, their is no difference between the wolverine in his solo book and the wolverine in WATM and the Wolverine in AVX, maybe hes just to complex for you, and if a character isn't hitting the same not every story every scene it confuses u

[earl]

It is going to seem odd to have a 'New' Avengers comic without any of the cast of the first comic and pretty much with some classic Avengers but none of the big hitters. That said, these are the kind of characters that sometimes get good. No one saw the turns that they did with Hercules in the past few years and they made him a way more interesting character in the last decade. Black Knight has got quite a bit of ties into the Marvel Universe in some ways that could really be expounded upon if they go that way. The Vision was a pretty popular character for years that has not been used until recently in a decade, so he has to be a new thing for some readers and of course he's got some history (including ties with Pym through Ultron).

The thing I'm surprised they didn't try is to bring back the whole West Coast Avengers idea or at least maybe try to start some titles not based in NY. It wasn't popular but I thought that was one of the good things that the last Moon Knight series kind of attempted.

Hickman is the real star of the book. Epting is too, but you know he is going to be swapping off arcs to make this happen.

[tigerkaya]

A good enough writer can make any character stick in what ever environment the story calls for, part of the reason World War Hulk was so good.

Because Pak actually researched Hulk's character and history. Unlike some writers who just change characters thinking to make it easier for them to transition to the team seamlessly without infighting. Its the reasons I have detested Wolverine's character since. Had the kept that trait of him and Cap hating each other while befriending the others I would have been okay with it. But so far its forced.

[Zen-aku]

Because Pak actually researched Hulk's character and history. Unlike some writers who just change characters thinking to make it easier for them to transition to the team seamlessly without infighting. Its the reasons I have detested Wolverine's character since. Had the kept that trait of him and Cap hating each other while befriending the others I would have been okay with it. But so far its forced.

because their missions together in ww2 and madipoor had nothing to do with that fence mending


also wolverine and cap are both characters who have come along way in the last 10-20 years

[tigerkaya]

which is an opinion, your opinion could be the moon is made of cheese you would still be wrong, he has been an avenger for nearly 10 years this is a fact

so are Hawkeye and Cap then
it hasn't so far, infact in AVX and Civil war he been the only Avenger keepign his eye on whats important, or did you miss how he was the only avenger who cared that the actual culprit of Stanford was on the loose?

wrong hes the same character, their is no difference between the wolverine in his solo book and the wolverine in WATM and the Wolverine in AVX, maybe hes just to complex for you, and if a character isn't hitting the same not every story every scene it confuses u

And I still stand by my claims. But if you insist on continuing this folly than by all means. Like it or not Wolverine is a shadow of his former self end of story. So many writers have drastically changed his character it makes the Weapon X brainwashing of him look like a dare care.

[Zen-aku]

And I still stand by my claims. But if you insist on continuing this folly than by all means. Like it or not Wolverine is a shadow of his former self end of story. So many writers have drastically changed his character it makes the Weapon X brainwashing of him look like a dare care.

i've been reading and watching all things wolverine since i was 8, and i know your wrong, he is still the same character, just wiser, and more responsible.

you say that they've changed him but don't say how, because you have no reasons

[The Black Guardian]

I'm kinda sad to see that Marvel is sticking with one writer for two books. I didn't really think that worked well for Bendis.

[ChrisGa]

I hope those speculating the New hook for this latest volume of New Avengers will feature Avengers Academy + Young Avengers are wrong Both sets of those characters bore the hell out of me & would constitute an automatic drop from me of NA.

Same here; I enjoy Academy but I haven't liked Young Avengers in any iteration since the original series, which was six or seven years ago(thought I would enjoy Children's Crusade more with Heinberg writing but it was meh; Cheung's art saved that one). Plus, to be honest, I can't see that group of characters being huge sellers; Academy has always been the lowest-selling of the Avengers books--I think it still cracks the top 100, but maybe just barely--and adding the YA cast probably won't boost the sales potential much. My ultimate hope is that it doesn't include Wolverine, Spider-Man or even Captain America, all of whom will likely be heavily involved in both Remender's book and Hickman's Avengers title. With five books a month--six if you count the twice monthly main book--they need to give some other characters a shot.

[Emissary of Justice]

Not interested in this line up at all.

It reminds too much of the old school line ups and designs that made me feel The Avengers were a bunch of cornballs in comparison to the X-Men.