Spanking children leads to adult mental illness...

[Paradox]

custodes makes me say "Wha...?":

Spanking is not only good, if done right, it is important and should be continued, especially in males into their 20s. Young males are adult powered and not taking responsibility yet. They are aggressivly avoiding the disipline they need.This would keep many of them out of jail.

While I think spanking has its limited place, I think you've missed it by several light years.

As an adolescent, my parents could have beaten me from sunup to sundown and I would have still done exactly what I wanted. Take away my TV and comics, though...

[Spike-X]

Way to blow my arguement out of proportion.

You cannot watch a child 100% of the time. It is impossible. And whilst you do everything you can to child proof a home, it is still a home, and some things aren't practicable, and some situations, whilst avoidable, will inevitably occur.

So when a child, say, continually reaches for a fireplace (like my wife's aunts who cannot be expected to child proof her home for the one a visit she gets), then it may be a new assay thing to do. Not desirable, but be necessary, and always depending on the child. Some respond to removal, some respond to a harshly said word, some only respond the that shock on a lightly slapped wrist.

Luckily for us in his four years my son as only ever required it once and my daughter not at all, but we've got a few months until she's two and she's exceptionally headstrong and determined.

It is a final, absolute last resort, not a first go to. And is not designed to hurt, but is designed to shock.

Like I said, very very rarely used, but the one time I have it did the trick (he lost all interst in the fireplace after that)

That's 100% the way I see it. And this should only be used up until the child is old enough to understand other forms of discipline.

[Paradox]

Just registering a "ditto" here, as I didn't respond to a direct query earlier from Ace because thehod answered what I would have (and probably put it better).

[thehod]

Just registering a "ditto" here, as I didn't respond to a direct query earlier from Ace because thehod answered what I would have (and probably put it better).

And with far better typos.

Honestly posting on this board from a mobile device is a fucking abortion since the board upgrade.

[Paradox]

Well, it helps to have you say it, too, because I've been informed many times that my opinions on child raising are completely without merit because I'm childless.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

While I'm sorry to hear your dad treat you like that at a young age, I feel much worse for the kids you bullied. I hope you did the right thing and apologize to the ones you terrorized.

I have no sympathy for bullies. I don't care how awful you had it, there's no excuse to make someone else's life horrible.

Oh definitely. To this day I feel terrible about it, and blame myself for it more than anyone else. It stemmed from self-hatred and the need to lash out at the world, and all it brought was more reasons to hate myself.

But I make sure that my dad understands that I was being led by his example.


I'm just happy I stopped before middle school.

[The Black Guardian]

Spanking is not only good, if done right, it is important and should be continued, especially in males into their 20s. Young males are adult powered and not taking responsibility yet. They are aggressivly avoiding the disipline they need.This would keep many of them out of jail.

One does not spank in anger. One explains and does the punishment without screaming and viscious, loud fear inducing rants.

And those spankings should be administered by that cute next-door neighbour chick. Preferably in a bikini. And heels.

90% figure with a quick google search.

http://www.echoparenting.org/spankin...rikes-out.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec...o-con-20111226

The second is not conjecture. Anytime one results to violence it is a loss of self control. Even in the most clinical fashion. Even if you completely remove emotion. It is a loss of self control because if some one has not lost their self control, then they are simply beating a child.

This puts it at about 50%. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90...1#.T_qrefXdf5E

And this, between 20-30%. http://www.livescience.com/11009-stu...pank-kids.html

The ABC story seems to agree with my experience. The last seems too low.

[the4thpip]

Spanking is not only good, if done right, it is important and should be continued, especially in males into their 20s.

Yeah, I downloaded that movie, too.

[jesse_custer]

You can't establish a causal relationship with a survey. Ridiculous.

[Vibranium]

as for spanking leading to bullying, I feel it is very case by case

I was abused, but I was so cowed to the point where I didn't want to bully or hurt anyone else....sure I was angry, but I was more afraid that my stepdad would hear I did something wrong and beat me some more

considering it happened pretty randomly anyway, it was worse if he was mad at me

[thwhtGuardian]

You can't establish a causal relationship with a survey. Ridiculous.

Indeed, my initial thought was how valid was the science behind the "shocking" headline.

But really, the kicker was that when I went to go look for the original article(which was published in the journal of pediatric care) it found that spanking caused mental issues in only 7-10% of those surveyed. That hardly sounds like a definite link to me, even if we consider surveying people to be a good tool in this situation.

Curiously that number is left out in most of the news pieces reporting on the article, but that's not that surprising as "Spanking May Cause Mental Issues In 7 to 10% of Adults." isn't going to get anywhere near as much attention as "Spanking Leads to Mental Health Issues in Adulthood".

[dupont2005]

Spanking would not have kept me out of jail. My dad not being a drug dealer and career criminal and my mom not being a junkie, that might have helped.

[Shellhead]

Well, it helps to have you say it, too, because I've been informed many times that my opinions on child raising are completely without merit because I'm childless.

At least you didn't raise any bad kids. That's more than a lot of people can say.

[Vibranium]

Well, it helps to have you say it, too, because I've been informed many times that my opinions on child raising are completely without merit because I'm childless.

Ive gotten that too....did I miss something or does becoming a parent automatically make you think you're smarter/better at raising kids than other people?

[Zevious Zoquis]

Ive gotten that too....did I miss something or does becoming a parent automatically make you think you're smarter/better at raising kids than other people?

No, but it does make you realize how much harder it is to raise kids than you ever would have imagined prior to having had them and how ludicrous a comment such as "if you let a child out of your sight long enough to get in trouble you've failed as a parent" is.

As far as the survey in question goes, I'd be interested in several other pieces of information about the respondants such as how many of them were from divorced parents, alcoholic/drug-addicted parents, absentee parents - a whole host of things really that could very well contribute to adult issues much more than an occasional slap on the arse. Thats ignoring the fact that the question posed by the survey sounds more like "abuse" than "spanking."