AvX #7 *Spoilers*

[gregyo]

So let me get this stright, it's not ok when someone uses non-lethal methods to take down an enemy. But it's alright to use extremely lethal ones?

Well, I definitely don't think it's okay to hit a kid just because he was around, you can feel free to disagree.

[-iceman-]

Hawkeye had it coming, knowing full well what Phoenix Emma can do and he still went ahead and shoot her in the head and after she fell, he continued kicking her. he had it coming, you don't mess with a bitch.

[Legion_Quest]

I think that would be one of the more interesting switches of the story. Given the way he spoke with Charles last issue, I think it would put him in a real dilemma: the world he's always sort of wanted to see is coming to pass, but it's leading to a direct conflict with his daughter. Where does his loyalty lie (because this is a different context than CC)?

Not just Magneto, which Cyclops may even expect, but I think the nail in the coffin will be when Charles turns on him and the other P5 members.

He'll have to have some sort of 'but I was just doing what I thought was right, what we all wanted' melt down before the end, and that'll likely be it.

Although with Magneto now an X-ally, I still say the better end to this event would have been Cyclops turning full heel and taking Magneto's former place as the main X enemy with personal links to the team.

[EuphemismForSex]

I wonder if they're ever going to address why Mags said they needed Wanderp at the very start of this.

[Jabare]

Okay this back and forth is getting old. The characters are on opposing sides. Its practically a War at this point. Is it that hard to understand why these characters did what they did I have no problems understanding it. I was more shocked Emma felt the need to explain herself. She is practically omnipotent.


to paraphrase from Nick Fury and Loki

Hawkeye: We have no quarrel with your people.
Emma: An ant has no quarrel with a boot.

[Zen-aku]

Okay this back and forth is getting old. The characters are on opposing sides. Its practically a War at this point. Is it that hard to understand why these characters did what they did I have no problems understanding it. I was more shocked Emma felt the need to explain herself. She is practically omnipotent.


to paraphrase from Nick Fury and Loki

Hawkeye: We have no quarrel with your people.
Emma: An ant has no quarrel with a boot.

Loki was an evil bitch too. being a god dosne't give you the right, the p5 have jumped off the slope this solidified it

[jsf]

Okay this back and forth is getting old. The characters are on opposing sides. Its practically a War at this point. Is it that hard to understand why these characters did what they did I have no problems understanding it. I was more shocked Emma felt the need to explain herself. She is practically omnipotent.


to paraphrase from Nick Fury and Loki

Hawkeye: We have no quarrel with your people.
Emma: An ant has no quarrel with a boot.

Puny Emma.

[gregyo]

Loki was an evil bitch too. being a god dosne't give you the right, the p5 have jumped off the slope this solidified it

Yeah, Cyclops clearly showed that they were losing it, what with all his "let's not kill people" talk. Yep. Sounds good.

[jsf]

Which would also bring it very full circle with House of M. So much of Wanda's "No more mutants" was about the fact that her father essentially picked his mission for mutantkind over his own daughter.

Interesting point.

The irony being, of course, that his devotion to the race over his family led his family to destroy the race. Something very Shakespearean about that.

[Zen-aku]

Yeah, Cyclops clearly showed that they were losing it, what with all his "let's not kill people" talk. Yep. Sounds good.

sure ignore the other 4 just because one guy is more "lets just lock them up for flimsy reasons" rather then "their ants, phoenix squash!"

[Jabare]

Loki was an evil bitch too. being a god dosne't give you the right, the p5 have jumped off the slope this solidified it

well its pretty obvious to the majority of readers the X-men would go to far. Marvel does this with most reoccurring characters with this level of power. One ultimately abuse iall that power because it sumply becomes too much. Thats how Marvel always handles storries. With great power comes great responsibility.

So if you give a character that much power regularly he's going to be relegated to Limbo a lot of the times or soemthing akin to the Odin sleep. Or he or she will become a villain that will ultimately be depowered or killed.


Each side has their own motivations. And I'd say their isn't a clear right or wrong in regard to each characters viewpoints.

However from a readers perspective, most would lean towards the Avengers. Since marvel seems to be close to establishing the Pheonix 5 as the all powerful overlords.

[DeadXMan]

Didn't the Avengers have A God trash a kid who didn't do anything in the 6th issue?

A God who Made GALACTUS FEEL PAIN FOR THE FIRST TIME Since THE DAY HE WAS REBORN AS THE EATER OF WORLDS. who can summon huricanes with a mere tap of hammer, Who can actualy wound and if there are no planets around possable kill the PF, Who can dent Cap sheild and andamantium. and can literally call down the thunder. punchs a person.

Mean while The horse murderer with UNLIMITED POOWWWWER burns a man ( which by the way is one of the worse ways to die) because he shot a fire cracker at her face.

[gregyo]

sure ignore the other 4 just because one guy is more "lets just lock them up for flimsy reasons" rather then "their ants, phoenix squash!"

No, no. You're totally right. Cyclops was just plain insane in this issue. Totally.

[Zen-aku]

well its pretty obvious to the majority of readers the X-men would go to far. Marvel does this with most reoccurring characters with this level of power. One ultimately abuse iall that power because it sumply becomes too much. Thats how Marvel always handles storries. With great power comes great responsibility.

So if you give a character that much power regularly he's going to be relegated to Limbo a lot of the times or soemthing akin to the Odin sleep. Or he or she will become a villain that will ultimately be depowered or killed.


Each side has their own motivations. And I'd say their isn't a clear right or wrong in regard to each characters viewpoints.

However from a readers perspective, most would lean towards the Avengers. Since marvel seems to be close to establishing the Pheonix 5 as the all powerful overlords.

Burning people alive, and mind altering people to agree with you are straight in the wrong category, theirs no grey area there for most people, those things are bad

[DeadXMan]

No, no. You're totally right. Cyclops was just plain insane in this issue. Totally.

it tok place before wolverine vs the x-men 12 and after the events in uncanny ( hopfuly Sinister will Pawn the P5 so bad that Namor Starts to see Scott as weak)