Marvel NOW! Relaunches The Marvel U

[marvell2100]

Some of Marvel's best titles:
FF
Fantastic Four
Iron Man
Ultimate Spider-Man
X-Force
Secret Avengers(before AvX)

I'm sure that there are more out there. People always say that JiM and WatXM are pretty good. I picked up the latter recently and it's not bad. I get tired of events as much as the next guy and I'd like to see some more diverse genres and characters. But the Marvel books that I do read, I enjoy very much.

[Manga4life]

see what i mean about the detractors not knowing where the good books are in the first place?
no offense manga

The problem with that statement is that if I'm going to read Marvel I'm going to want to read.....Marvel. That includes Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers, Cap, and other big guns, not a bunch of B-characters that I've never cared about or will ever care about. If Marvel can't make good on their core characters than that's a huge shame on them, but regardless of how good their under-card is if the main event isn't stacked than what the hell is the point?

This whole thing has become just silly. I give MARVEL a shot, their A-List books that are supposed to draw in fans and hook them, and I'm told I'm reading the wrong books. Well, if Marvel is putting out crappy A-list books than that's their fault, not mine.

To further emphasize on the fact that I gave Spider-Man, X-Men, Cap, The Avengers, and Thor a try and yet I'm being told I'm not reading the right books because it's the lower tier characters that are being written the best, that's like buying a mansion with a demolished interior and being told that the house doesn't cost a million dollars because of the main lot, but more so because the guest house is really nice. Haha, silly beyond comprehension.

[direction9]

The problem with that statement is that if I'm going to read Marvel I'm going to want to read.....Marvel. That includes Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers, Cap, and other big guns, not a bunch of B-characters that I've never cared about or will ever care about. If Marvel can't make good on their core characters than that's a huge shame on them, but regardless of how good their under-card is if the main event isn't stacked than what the hell is the point?

This whole thing has become just silly. I give MARVEL a shot, their A-List books that are supposed to draw in fans and hook them, and I'm told I'm reading the wrong books. Well, if Marvel is putting out crappy A-list books than that's their fault, not mine.

To further emphasize on the fact that I gave Spider-Man, X-Men, Cap, The Avengers, and Thor a try and yet I'm being told I'm not reading the right books because it's the lower tier characters that are being written the best, that's like buying a mansion with a demolished interior and being told that the house doesn't cost a million dollars because of the main lot, but more so because the guest house is really nice. Haha, silly beyond comprehension.

yeah i think everyone we're talking about is a marvel big gun, A-list. daredevil, punisher, ff, nick fury, x-force (wolverine, psylocke, angel), bucky, venom, iron man, loki,......
where are these D and Z listers you're thinking of?
the A list books aren't bad, thor was incredible for a few issues, cap has gone downhill and is still good, avengers has been junk until these iron fist issues that are pretty excellent, spider-men is good, people still dig asm (i'm not reading it), uncanny is bland but people really enjoy it.......explain to me where these supposedly crappy A-list books are exactly. it seems like you just haven't bothered to do your homework before you started doomsaying.
this thing isn't silly at all, if you're going to read GOOD comics, you should look for and read the GOOD comics. then you won't be panicked and feel like a victim when you see minor cosmetic changes like this.

[Manga4life]

yeah i think everyone we're talking about is a marvel big gun, A-list. daredevil, punisher, ff, nick fury, x-force (wolverine, psylocke, angel), bucky, venom, iron man, loki,......
where are these D and Z listers you're thinking of?
the A list books aren't bad, thor was incredible for a few issues, cap has gone downhill and is still good, avengers has been junk until these iron fist issues that are pretty excellent, spider-men is good, people still dig asm (i'm not reading it), uncanny is bland but people really enjoy it.......explain to me where these supposedly crappy A-list books are exactly. it seems like you just haven't bothered to do your homework before you started doomsaying.
this thing isn't silly at all, if you're going to read GOOD comics, you should look for and read the GOOD comics. then you won't be panicked and feel like a victim when you see minor cosmetic changes like this.

Haha, you just proved you haven't totally read all of my posts directed toward you and that you speak without knowing what it is your talking about. I'm one of the people who APPROVE of the cosmetic changes and actually like them, I've been saying this since page 4 or 5 of this thread. I'm not "doomsaying" anything, I'm just calling both Marvel and it's fanboys out on certain things while trying to find out more information on this whole Marvel Now situation, never have I felt "panicked" or like a "victim" seeing as how I don't read Marvel on a regular basis but may once this relaunch happens. Get it straight.

Oh, and Punisher, Daredevil, Venom, and most of the X-Force team are most certainly NOT A-list characters, I'd give them B-list or C-list at best. Both Punisher and Daredevil were once A-list guys back in the late 80's and early 90's when Marvel actually promoted them as such, not these days.

[direction9]

With multiple films in their pocket, pretty much outstanding top tier writers on them for the past few years, marvel is promoting them as A-list as anyone else they have. punisher had big scenes in civil war, daredevil recently joined the avengers.

edit: venom's on an avengers team now, uxf is the best x-book with wolverine and deadpool. sorry dude, A-list.

[Jack J Napier]

No other way to look at it. But then again, Marvel did regain the sales lead. So WHY?

excepts the fact it isn't anything like the new 52, but hey whatever.

[Manga4life]

With multiple films in their pocket, pretty much outstanding top tier writers on them for the past few years, marvel is promoting them as A-list as anyone else they have. punisher had big scenes in civil war, daredevil recently joined the avengers.

edit: venom's on an avengers team now, uxf is the best x-book with wolverine and deadpool. sorry dude, A-list.

Just because you're an Avenger does not make you an A-list character. An A-List character is a character that is one of the "faces" of your company, some examples would include....

Spider-Man
Wolverine
Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Incredible Hulk

Characters such as those are true A-list superstars. Daredevil is most definitely B-list and Punisher is most certainly C-list, but whatever....think what you want. Oh, and Venem WAS A-list back in the early 90's but has since become a C-list character in my book. You've already proved you didn't know what you were talking about the second you pegged me as feeling like a "victim" and not liking the new costumes anyway so say whatever you want. Pathetic.

[Power Torch]

Oh, and Venom WAS A-list back in the early 90's but has since become a C-list character in my book.

I agree, back in the 90s (when Eddie had Venom) he was a A-lister, because of lots of things, the cartoon for one, and when someone saw Venom then most people knew who that was. But if you show someone Flash Venom, they will most likely say who is that, or why does that guy look like Spider-man with guns. So I agree with you, thats all I am saying lol. And this coming from someone who loves Venom.

But I love Flash Venom (not as much as Eddie Venom) and am I huge Venom fan so in my life Venom is a A-lister lol.

But your right A-Lister are the people who can be recognized just by looking at them, and even by people who dont read comics. It was not always that way, but it has become that way.

[Manga4life]

I agree, back in the 90s (when Eddie had Venom) he was a A-lister, because of lots of things, the cartoon for one, and when someone saw Venom then most people knew who that was. But if you show someone Flash Venom, they will most likely say who is that, or why does that guy look like Spider-man with guns. So I agree with you, thats all I am saying lol. And this coming from someone who loves Venom.

But I love Flash Venom (not as much as Eddie Venom) and am I huge Venom fan so in my life Venom is a A-lister lol.

But your right A-Lister are the people who can be recognized just by looking at them, and even by people who dont read comics. It was not always that way, but it has become that way.

Absolutely. Venom was a poster child for Marvel in the early 90's and was featured in cartoons, tons of action figures, tons of series and mini's, appearances in hundreds and hundreds of comics, trading cards, posters, collectors cups, and just about every other kind of merchandise you can think of. He was an earner for Marvel and brought in as much money as the rest of the company's big guns, these days he's just another character and Marvel just seems to go through the motions with him, heck.....even an appearance in Spider-Man 3 didn't do much to raise his stock. It's partially Marvel's fault though, they wore him quite thin back in the early to mid 90's and that's never a good thing.

A-listers are not just recognizable, but they are HUGE earners for your company whether it's making comics, movies, music, or writing novels. A-list characters are cash cows that can be tapped anytime you need a few bucks.

[satchmo the dragon]

Because sales are in the toilet, despite the bubble New 52 caused, and both companies are in a never ending death cycle of relaunch, event, gimmick, and relaunch to try and scrape what few sales they can. Most of these gimmicks are having ever increasingly diminishing returns. I'm dubious that Marvel's New 52 relaunch will do as well as DC's simply because it will feel copycattish coming so soon after New 52. Oh the #1 issues might thrive but I doubt we'll see the bubble last as long as DC's did.

They should just cut the amount of books and try to tell good stories then. Clearly the gimmick approach leads to death.

[jackolover]

Well, it seems a big part of why Uncanny Avengers is happening is because Cap feels he hasn't done enough to help mutants, so that's something.

Yes. After reading Marvel NOW, there doesn't seem to be any memory loss. Just a business as usual, with X-Men amalgamated into the Avengers. Not sure that inspires me to want to see it.

[MajorHoy]

Hickman on Avengers I'd read. Anything by Remender I'd check out. Bendis on X-Men? No, no thank you. And I've read the X-Titles since I was 9. Guess I'll just read the Wikipedia recap for that one so I don't have to watch the X-Men make quips at each other while having breakfast.

Nah, they won't do breakfast all the time . . . that's so yesterday.

Maybe they'll do lunch instead . . . or, if Marvel was really desperate for money, have a sponsorship deal where they always go to Starbucks or Pizza Hut at least once an issue!

[Rasputin9977]

Actually I was thinking of that line of children's comics they had a few years ago.

What did happen with this line anyway? Whacker said he had big plans with it after its cancellation was announced. Another lie I suppose.

[direction9]

Just because you're an Avenger does not make you an A-list character. An A-List character is a character that is one of the "faces" of your company, some examples would include....

Spider-Man
Wolverine
Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Incredible Hulk

Characters such as those are true A-list superstars. Daredevil is most definitely B-list and Punisher is most certainly C-list, but whatever....think what you want. Oh, and Venem WAS A-list back in the early 90's but has since become a C-list character in my book. You've already proved you didn't know what you were talking about the second you pegged me as feeling like a "victim" and not liking the new costumes anyway so say whatever you want. Pathetic.

isn't the point that, since you haven't been reading marvel, what would you know about it?
i'm afraid you're going to have to defer to me here.

[Dog]

What did happen with this line anyway? Whacker said he had big plans with it after its cancellation was announced. Another lie I suppose.

There are two based on the cartoons. Please pay attention.