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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beast Of Yucca Flats View Post
    Context?! We don't need no Gott Demn context! Not when we got us some DC white-knightin' to do!
    At the risk of maybe ruining the joke, I'm white-knighting?

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    JOKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beast Of Yucca Flats View Post
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    Can it really be a joke if it's not really funny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beast Of Yucca Flats View Post
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    Oh. Hurmm. See, now I feel bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Holmes View Post
    Can it really be a joke if it's not really funny?
    Yes. Yes it can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverYoung8 View Post
    Whichever man, you can argue with my opinion if you'd like. I'll leave you to it :-)
    It's not about arguing with your opinion, just suggesting why you might be looking at this the wrong way.

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    You know, I enjoyed his first arc a lot, but......george, I just think you are making excuses out of you super unpopular superman run.....

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    Artists. Are. Tempermental. (Throws computer across room.) Security guy can probably agree on that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverYoung8 View Post
    I understand his working conditions were (according to him) less than ideal, but...I'm very surprised to see a creator who's been around as long as he has be this unprofessional.
    I guess I'll never understand how some people equate 'professionalism' with being a corporate sockpuppet who can't speak out about when he's being treated like crap.
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    That's going to be the reason why the New 52 was created. It was a ploy by the people of DC comics to hype up Man of Steel. That is what people will be saying after Perez's statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverYoung8 View Post
    Perhaps I read it wrong, but to me it just kinda sounds like sour grapes. All writers turn in bad stories / arcs from time to time; I'm not sure his run on Superman (that I actually liked quite a bit) would damage the "Perez Brand" that much.

    I dunno. Like I said, to me it just seems unprofessional. It didn't work out, move on. But professionalism is often subjective, I admit. I'm just surprised when he signed on that he wasn't told 1) this is Grant's world right now, and you only get to play in it, and 2) we need you to cater to the filmmakers when requested.

    But I wasn't invited to that meeting, and it's possible that they completely jerked him around. The whole thing just seems fishy to me. Maybe I'm just having a bad day.
    George was candid, but I never got the impression he was being bitter. He was expressing his problems with the way the New 52's being managed, but I think he even said at one point that he understood why DC was being so protective of Superman and trying to tailor their vision to the film.

    I'm glad he spoke the way he did, because I've been wondering how the New 52 fell apart so quickly.
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    I just find Perez's writing to be really typical. The editorial restriction here seems more like it would have affected the plotting, not the writing style that I find to be unremarkable.

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    I wonder if one of the aspects they kept going back and forth on was whether or not Lois knew Clark was Superman. It could explain why the hinting was laid on heavily without committing one way or another, but ultimately ended up being unmentioned/unresolved by arc's end.

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    I hate to say it being a fan of George Perez...but whatever the reason, he gave us an extremely weak run on Superman. If that was the best he could do under those conditions then frankly I'm glad he's off the book, because it was pretty lame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverYoung8 View Post
    I'm not even talking about an honor code though; just professionalism. It's just not professional to badmouth people for hamstringing you when you're being paid to do a job. I'm sure it was a pain in the @ss for him, but a creater should be creative. If they put you in a box, create a way out of the box, even if certain parameters have to still be met.

    Or, quit. I guess I just would expect a younger guy to complain so much, not a veteran like Perez. But this opinion is also formed without knowing all the facts (only what he's said) and I could be wrong. I didn't agree with what many of the people I protected did during their down time, but it would never be my place to say "you should see what so-and-so do behind their wife's back!" I was paid to do a job, and if it bothered me that bad I could have quit. Badmouthing the employer is just not professional, in my opinion, unless the employer is acting or condoning illegal behavior in the workplace. But that's a completely different topic, and not what's happened here.
    Except it doesn't work like that. You can't "create a way out of the box" if someone else can change the parameters and change your work any time they want without warning.

    Look up the video where Kevin Smith talks about the time when he was hired to write the Superman script.

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