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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma View Post
    yup, but I don't remember anyone publicly expressing a desire to dance on his grave (which seems to be happening with the Iron Lady)
    I also don't remember people spontaneously dancing for joy in the streets when Reagan's death was announced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stelok View Post
    She is not exactly popular with the Unions, socialists and Irish, but she was one hell of a national leader. She had the chutzpah to keep the Falklands Islands British an[/url]
    Oh horseshit. She was despised by virtually the entire population of Scotland and the North.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    Oh horseshit. She was despised by virtually the entire population of Scotland and the North.
    I dont know much about the political climate over there...but for all the grousing I hear from the Scottish about the United Kingdom in general, can't they just declare independence or something, like Ireland did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    I dont know much about the political climate over there...but for all the grousing I hear from the Scottish about the United Kingdom in general, can't they just declare independence or something, like Ireland did?
    Maybe Scotland should hold a referendum on independence. Surprised there hasn't been anyone posting about something like that here, over the last 50 or so pages say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Clarkie View Post
    Maybe Scotland should hold a referendum on independence. Surprised there hasn't been anyone posting about something like that here, over the last 50 or so pages say.
    again, I know little about how that process works over there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    again, I know little about how that process works over there
    It's a referundum, it works like a single question vote on an issue, like a proposition vote in the US, and we really have been talking quite a lot about it on this thread for some time, if you wanted to get a clue. Hence my previous sarcastic response.
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    Russell Brand has written a brilliant piece about Thatcher in the Guardian, that is surprisingly very good.

    It contains this line, which sums up the world she created to me.

    "All of us that grew up under Thatcher were taught that it is good to be selfish, that other people's pain is not your problem, that pain is in fact a weakness and suffering is deserved and shameful. Perhaps there is resentment because the clemency and respect that are being mawkishly displayed now by some and haughtily demanded of the rest of us at the impending, solemn ceremonial funeral, are values that her government and policies sought to annihilate."

    Anyway, you can read the piece here.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/ap...rgaret-thatcher
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehod View Post
    Russell Brand has written a brilliant piece about Thatcher in the Guardian, that is surprisingly very good.
    Not surprisingly, to me - he's a very intelligent, articulate man.

    Quote Originally Posted by thehod View Post
    It contains this line, which sums up the world she created to me.

    "All of us that grew up under Thatcher were taught that it is good to be selfish, that other people's pain is not your problem, that pain is in fact a weakness and suffering is deserved and shameful. Perhaps there is resentment because the clemency and respect that are being mawkishly displayed now by some and haughtily demanded of the rest of us at the impending, solemn ceremonial funeral, are values that her government and policies sought to annihilate."
    That seems to sum it up nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    I also don't remember people spontaneously dancing for joy in the streets when Reagan's death was announced.
    I danced in my house. Still Reagan was worse not so much because he was a more horrible person. He is worse simply because the US had a broader reach. Also Reagan still gets defied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaggedFel View Post
    Also Reagan still gets defied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bringthenoise View Post
    The Daily Mail's front page on Tuesday morning: http://www.thepaperboy.com/uk/daily-...ages-today.cfm
    That is nothing compared to Reagan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehod View Post
    Russell Brand has written a brilliant piece about Thatcher in the Guardian, that is surprisingly very good.

    It contains this line, which sums up the world she created to me.

    "All of us that grew up under Thatcher were taught that it is good to be selfish, that other people's pain is not your problem, that pain is in fact a weakness and suffering is deserved and shameful. Perhaps there is resentment because the clemency and respect that are being mawkishly displayed now by some and haughtily demanded of the rest of us at the impending, solemn ceremonial funeral, are values that her government and policies sought to annihilate."

    Anyway, you can read the piece here.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/ap...rgaret-thatcher
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    Lol what is amazing about that argument is not that the people at the top shout it from their ivory towers. What is amazing is how they get the common folk to buy into that BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    we've got that over here in spades
    That's the crap we have to deal with right now, but must overcome sooner rather than later, in order to bring "society" (oh, there's that dreaded word for Thatcher fans) forward.
    You just have to be cool about it...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bringthenoise View Post
    While the Mail is feigning outrage at this, mere days after trying to blame the murder of 6 children on the welfare state.
    They're also outraged that a football game hasn't had a minute of silence.

    Was it supposed to? Has that been a thing ever when past PMs have died? When Ed Heath or Macmillan died, was the Mail bothered about minutes of silence?

    Quote Originally Posted by stelok View Post
    She is not exactly popular with the Unions, socialists and Irish, but she was one hell of a national leader. She had the chutzpah to keep the Falklands Islands British and saved them from the corrupt antidemocratic military junta thugs.
    Can you give us an example other than the Falklands War of how she was a great national leader?

    Let's also point out that it was her government that got the islands invaded in the first place by withdrawing the (one) remaining Royal Navy ship, because they thought they didn't need to worry about the despertae military dictatorship next door.
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