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    The real contingency plan is probably about two pages long and is a plan for a russian invasion with the word Russia replaced with America. I suspect it boils down to "Fight a holding action in central London long enough for the royals and Cabinet to go into hiding and for the juiciest classified documents to be shredded then disperse into the countryside and wage a guerilla war."
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    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/12...l-the-internet

    Cyberspace is the last frontier. It is free, deregulated and untouched by the dead hand of government bureaucracy.

    It goes without saying (but I’ll say it anyway) that without an unfettered Internet the world would be a poorer and less informed place.

    No free use of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or LinkedIn for a start. No social media-driven Arab Spring or online hunt for African warlord Joseph Kony to follow.

    When social media meets social change, things happen. When somebody decides to curtail both, the outcomes don’t bear thinking about.

    Still, that’s not stopping the United Nations from proposing that it alone control the World Wide Web.

    A global row broke out under the cover of the U.S. presidential election over who should control and profit from the Internet, after a draft proposal seeking greater control was published online.

    The International Telecommunications Union (ITU) is the little-known United Nations agency pushing to regulate the web. Canada is one of its 193-member states and a top-seven financial contributor to ITU operations.

    The ITU has suggested a range of reforms that would potentially stifle free speech and make users pay extra to use things like Skype and e-mail as well as place controls on personal social media use like blogging and religious websites.

    It would also enable UN member states to lobby the ITU to close down Internet use it didn’t approve of.

    In a little over two weeks, Canada will join other member states in voting on this range of reforms at the World Conference on International Communications (WCIT-12) in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

    The countries keeping Canada company in the vote for change include China, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Iran.

    It’s something that worries the Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA), an organization that is calling for Canada to use its vote to veto the proposal outright.

    “In Canada we have many protections that ensure our freedom of speech is protected,” said Abby Deshman, CCLA’s director of public safety programs. “In that regard we are lucky, but in other parts of the world, governments look for more ways to watch public opinion and monitor dissent.

    “Freedom of expression is a basic human right and we would urge the countries that vote on this proposal to keep that in mind.

    “Any proposal to control the Internet in any way, shape or form beyond the accepted laws of sovereign countries should be opposed outright.”

    The CCLA is not alone in worrying about the outcome of next month’s conference.

    In a show of unity, civil rights groups joined big communications corporations including Google in London on Monday to urge the UN to back down.

    Backers appealed to the UN and the ITU itself to immediately open the plan for global debate and demanded a delay of any decision until all stakeholders — not just governments — are given a voice.

    The general secretary of the International Trade Union Confederation, Sharran Burrow, wants global action now as the “Internet as we know it” comes under very real threat.

    “Unless we act now, our right to freely communicate and share information could change forever. A group of big telecommunications corporations have joined with countries including China, Egypt and Saudi Arabia that already impose heavy restriction on Internet freedoms,” Burrow said.

    “So far, the proposal has flown under the radar but its implications are extremely serious. Governments and big companies the world over may end up with the right not only to restrict the Internet and monitor everything you do online but to charge users for services such as e-mail and Skype.”

    Put simply, give the UN the web kill switch and we can kiss the Internet as we know it goodbye.
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    More on that here.

    This point here is of particular concern:

    The group is writing to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to warn of a series of threats from the ITU meeting:

    “Government restriction or blocking of information disseminated via the internet
    Create a global regime of monitoring internet communications, including the demand that those who send and receive information identify themselves
    That bolded part is most worrying, as it will a: directly jeopardise lives, and b: restrict the free flow of information in countries where doing so is literally a life-threatening activity.
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    Yeah, that's a load of jingoistic horseshit.
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    I stopped reading after the ridiculous claim that the internet is "free, deregulated and untouched by the dead hand of government bureaucracy".
    'Dox out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    I stopped reading after the ridiculous claim that the internet is "free, deregulated and untouched by the dead hand of government bureaucracy".
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    I know this is old news, but still worth a read

    greed and corruption on a mass scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles RB View Post
    Hide it away from who?
    The general public.
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    Nobody was looking until the Newsnight story, and the Newsnight story was Newsnight and BIJ talking to a known witness, who gave them McAlpine's name. Muddying the waters would explain why the North Wales police back in the day were telling witnesses the wrong name, but nobody in the current investigation had a reason to muddy anything.
    There's apparently still McAlpine's involved but perhaps not Lord McAlpine but seeing as nobody seems to want to investigate this in the government, police, or media it's flopping around like an annoying loose end that should be something people should be jumping on rather than a wankfest about the Beeb.

    And the Guardian along with several of it's hacks decided to slap it everywhere.

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    A High Court investigation is the courts dealing with it.
    It's not a trial. That's what these people missed first time round. As said, release the unredacted report and let people stand trial.
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    EDIT: And that Mail article is the most appalling nasty bit of attack "journalism", even by the Mail's standards. A survivor of systemic child abuse has anger issues and hasn't always remembered everything correctly, of course he's fucking like that after child abuse.

    There was clearly a concerted campaign to discredit Messham over the weekend. What sort of cunt decides to rubbish and denigrate someone who was seriously abused for most of his first 16 years he was alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles RB View Post
    Hold up, there may be an answer here;



    And the Guardian names Jimmie McAlpine as someone living nearby. The judge at the time also thought it could be false evidence that Messham was coached to say.

    So this could be bad memory on the part of Messham and the widow, they saw a photo of a McAlpine (who would also be titled) and got it wrong years later, or the police were fucking up and calling the wrong McAlpine "Lord", or someone muddying the waters. In which case, Newsnight have done some extremely shoddy journalism and were this close to naming a real abuser or identifying a cover-up.
    Jimmie McAlpine is the member of the family who moved to Thailand, which is basically saying he's a massive paedophile. But this isn't new, this was part of the Private Eye/Scallywag stories from a decade or so back, so someone at the Guardian has worked out how to use Google.

    As has been pointed out, you don't expect a 16 year old victim of abuse to know members of the serving government. Fuck, I only knew McAlpine's name but didn't know what the fucker looked like til last week, however a cover up happened and is still happening. There's also the matter of what happened to the pictures Messham had of him being abused by several men that he gave to the police? Those went 'missing' and need to be found as they'd identify people clearly.
    The names were in the initial Pilling report that was pulped. A few copies still exist so if they've got that then that's a valuable piece of evidence.

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    The papers should remember that the BBC aren't the only one to incorrectly name someone. (which they didn't even do. They weren't even close to naming McAlpine. They weren't even close to strongly implying it was him, so this rush to fall on their swords is even more befuddling)

    Anyway, The New Statesman lays out instances where the major newspapers have also royally screwed up.

    As the feeding frenzy against the BBC continues, it’s worth remembering the UK’s public broadcaster isn’t the only organisation to sometimes make editorial mistakes. There isn’t a major national newspaper that hasn’t made serious false allegations against someone or other. Indeed, unlike in some of the examples below, the BBC at least had the good sense not to name the person it wrongly suspected of a crime, though it was naÔve to think the name would not get out eventually.

    Yet the BBC is attracting far more venom than any other news organisation would if it had made similar mistakes. Before Fleet Street gets too carried away with attacks on the corporation, it might want to remind itself of its similar screw-ups. As far as I know, there were no calls for "radical structural change" at any of the papers as a result of any of the following mistakes:

    The Sun pins the Norwegian mass shooting on ‘Islamists’

    Before we knew who had shot 77 Norwegian young people on 22 July 2011, the Sun had a guess: Islamists. Its front page referred to an ‘"al Qaeda’ massacre" while its editorial used the attacks to have a go at asylum seekers and human rights law. The paper quietly changed the editorial on its web edition when it emerged the massacre had been carried out by right-wing fanatic Anders Breivik.

    The Telegraph accuses Labour conference of heckling an 11-year-old child

    During this year’s Labour conference a delegate interrupted a 16-year-old explaining to the hall what she liked about the academy school she attended. The delegate had shouted out of turn: “you can do that in a comprehensive too”. On the Telegraph’s site this somehow became the Labour conference ’heckling’ an ‘11-year-old’ ‘child’, an accusation which grew into a Twitter-storm, only ending after Ed Miliband issued a statement. The paper later toned down the inaccuracies in the piece on its website but the web address for the article still reads "it-is-disgusting-for-a-labour-delegate-to-heckle-an-11-year-old-girl/" and refers to a "child".

    The Guardian jumps to conclusions during the phone hacking scandal

    One shocking detail of the Guardian’s investigation into phone-hacking that captured the public’s imagination was the allegation that someone working for the News of the World had deleted murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler’s voicemails. The voicemails’ disappearance had given "hope" she was alive, the parents said. But police investigations later found no evidence to support this claim, which arguably had propelled the story to new heights. The police said the messages were "most likely" deleted automatically by the phone network after 72 hours.

    The Independent wrongly accuses a politician of taking $150m from a foreign autocrat

    Accusing a politician of illegally accepting $150m from a foreign autocrat to fund a political campaign is a serious claim, and the Independent accused Rachid Ghannouchi, the leader of a Tunisian political party, of doing just this. Had the allegation been made against a UK politician it would have been one of the biggest political scandals in the UK’s history, but the story passed relatively unnoticed here. Last month the paper admitted that what it said had happened had not happened, and published a small apology.

    The Daily Mirror wrongly accuses Chris Jefferies of associating with paedophiles and being linked to a murder

    Searching for a suspect in the murder of Joanna Yeates, the Daily Mirror and other papers settled on retired schoolmaster Christopher Jefferies. The paper accused Jefferies, who was Yeates’ landlord, of "behaving inappropriately" to schoolchildren, associating with paedophiles and being linked to a previous murder. None of this turned out to be true.

    The Daily Mail wrongly accuses teacher of leading a riot which trashed Tory HQ

    In the aftermath of a riot at Conservative party headquarters the Daily Mail fingered Luke Cooper, a university tutor from Brighton, as a "hardcore" organiser of the riot, which led to over 50 arrests and tens of thousands of pounds worth of damage. The Mail’s sister paper, the Evening Standard, splashed the allegations on its front page. Nearly two years later, the papers’ publisher was ordered by the High Court to pay £450,000 in costs and £60,000 in damages to Cooper, who says his reputation in education was "trashed".

    The Times invents radical Islamist “control” of a North London mosque

    The Queen’s Road mosque in Walthamstow is under “control” of the “ultra-Orthodox” Islamist sect Tablighi Jamaat, making it "easy prey for terrorist recruiters", the Times alleged in 2009, casting suspicion over an entire community. After being contacted by the leader of the Mosque, and some lawyers, the paper later conceded that this was not true, but not after suggesting the Mosque was a "breeding ground" for "extremists".
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    Quote Originally Posted by king mob View Post
    The general public.
    The general public didn't know anything about allegations of Tories involved in paedophile rings. Most of the general public probably had forgotten about the North Wales abuse cases, if they'd paid attention the first time round (and Nick Davies makes it pretty clear the response was a big yawn). Now, the abuses have been in the public eye and rumours of Tory paedos are floating around. Some people will think "oh, that turned out to be untrue" in the future, others are going to go "no smoke without fire"/"what about X" who weren't doing that before because they hadn't heard of it. Hell, a guy at work came away thinking "there's a top Tory paedo" because he hadn't watched or read anything, he'd just picked up "Tory, paedo, Newsnight" by osmosis.

    And now Channel 4 and the Guardian are sniffing around, which they weren't doing before, and even if the inquiries are banjaxed they'll start attracting attention and making people speak up. It's already led to the Jillings report being found in council archives and the councils are discussing if they can release it to the public; even if they can't, someone's likely to leak bits of it, this could be big.

    If this was an attempt to cover it from the general public, whoever came up with the idea is a tit.

    It's not a trial. That's what these people missed first time round.
    The National Crime Agency's the one investigating the rapists. That can lead to more trials. Hopefully, that's exactly what it will do or, if not that, at least blackening the names of the dead who got away with it.


    What sort of cunt decides to rubbish and denigrate someone who was seriously abused for most of his first 16 years he was alive?
    Based on the Mail's other stories about it, the sort of cunts who want to give Newsnight a kicking - and go "look, this means Leveson isn't needed honest" - and couldn't give a shit who they have to denigrate in order to get to the Great Satan. They are obsessed.

    And you know what their stories were before then? They were stories repeating Newsnight's story and implying the BBC were the bad guys for not naming names! (And boy, they didn't have a problem with Messham as a witness back then, when they could go "why isn' the BBC naming a paedo"...) And they named a Tory themselves, the very dead Sir Peter Morrison (Channel 4 did that too), and quoted victims saying there was an extra Tory figure as well. They're not talking about it anymore

    And they also came out with

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    The latest revelations raise questions about Mr Cameronís decision to reinvestigate the North Wales child abuse scandal
    Days of reporting abuses themselves, and then they're saying "ooer, isn't it bad that Cameron's reinvestigating it". Bahing the BBC and Cameron is more important than abused children to these cunts.
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    Some of the Gulf states are recognising the new Syrian opposition block as a government-in-exile.

    And so is France, the first Western state to do so. That, I didn't expect. It's going out on a diplomatic limb here. (France started and led the call for Libyan intervention & fired the first shots and also took up arms in Cote D'Ivorie, but that was the last government.)

    Speaking of interventions, Ecowas has 3,300 troops and a battle-plan for northern Mali, where Salafist militias have seized control; the African Union has just now said it backs the plan, Ecowas are just waiting on the UN Security Council now.
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    Kevin Clash' accuser has recanted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    Kevin Clash' accuser has recanted
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