Lobo runs Marvel's Brick Gauntlet

[Sharpandpointies]

Better yet, we've even done this whole THREAD before. At least with regards to Thor.

My feeling on the whole thing is that if Thor is strong and capable enough to get Lobo into a hold where Lobo is helpless, sure, he can charge up that Godblast and fry him.

That's going to take a fair deal of 'strong and capable', mind, as an advantage over Lobo.

[Pendaran]

That thread indeed reminds me to ask

And that's your perogative, since Thor has charged the GB in a grapple setting it proves it is a viable fight move. Also if he crosses Lobo's arms over like he did Durok, a face bite etc isn't exactly viable.

Considering for that to happen the fight had to ignore the strength gap that exists between Thor and Durok, how clean do you really think that showing is in the first place?

I know this is going to lead to "Thor could totally shatter the Silver Surfer's board on pure strength alone" mind you.

[Sharpandpointies]

Oh, as stated in that thread I find the whole thing rather PIS-y. Durok, being rather stronger than Thor and apparently not a complete chooch in combat skill, should have simply broken the hold. Put another way, if Thor needs to concentrate rather strongly to get a Godblast going, he's not going to pull it off while grappling against someone in his weight catagory. He's certainly not pulling it off against someone who is physically his superior who knows what they're doing in a fight.

Once he starts frying someone with the powerup shown in that feat, yeah, they're going to have a hard time fighting back at full capacity, so he might just get the blast off. But that requires him to lay hands on them for a period of time while they CAN fight back, which is where my problem with the feat exists.

Same deal here. Unless Lobo is actually a fair bit beneath Thor in strength and skill, a Thor concentrating on powering up a godblast is going to have a ridiculous time trying to keep ahold of the rather angry, fighting Lobo. It's going to take his concentration to keep Lobo put, and he's going to have nothing left for the Godblast.

As an example, from personal experience I can grapple with and beat guys who outweigh me by 80 lbs (not all fat, either). I can grapple with and casually beat these guys if they don't have any experience grappling, while chatting to people on the sidelines and explaining the various holds and choices I'm using. This isn't something special about me, it's just the way these things go.

Give them a modicum of skill, and suddenly it's taking everything I have to deal with them. I don't have the concentration necessary to discuss what I'm doing, much less do something like complex math or the like that would normally require my undivided attention.

Pit me up against someone my own weight and similar skill, and same deal. I can't even begin to imagine trying to power up something requiring serious concentration at the same time.

Suffice to say, it would require me having a significant advantage over them. So unless Thor has a significant advantage over Lobo already - like, seriously significant, due to the fact that this isn't just a casual grappling match, it's a couple of guys trying to flat-out kill each other - I can't see him powering up a Godblast in a grapple as solid gameplan.

[big_adventure]

Once again, he doesn't NEED to do it in a grapple - his speed advantage is sufficient to land as many blows as it takes (without getting hit even once in return) to at least get a few seconds of KO on Lobo, then it's all over - no grappling, just death(ish) on an incapacitated opponent. I mean, I can see arguing that Thor can't do it in a grapple against a pissed off and PISsed off Lobo, I'd bet against him doing it myself, so if that's all we're arguing, fine, but please tell me that we're not arguing that Thor can't KO Lobo for a few seconds are we?

Thor's got board ruled speed that is higher than Lobo's best showing by a fairly significant amount. Thor is around as strong as Post-Crisis Superman. Post-Crisis Superman beats Lobo into paste (literally, paste) when he uses speed. Thor, who is MUCH slower than Superman but MUCH faster than Lobo will at least be able to KO him, and I don't see any reason why he can't turn him into goo as well (just in a longer timeframe), given that: Logo isn't immune to getting stunned, he doesn't no-sell Superman's punches, and he's going to be getting hit dozens of time a second at strength levels that he cannot tank. Sure, Thor might need to pound on an unconscious mass murderer for a couple of extra seconds, but that's what bloodlust is for.

[Guy Smiley]

How many seconds are we talking about here?

Ten or more, and Thor doesn't need a Godblast because he's incapacitated Lobo long enough to win anyway.

And if Lobo's able to unsplatter well before a ten count, then Thor may not have time for a Godblast.

Honestly, I think I'd rather bet on Thor KOing Lobo and just continuously beating his head like an anvil until the ten-count's up.

[Slade]

Once again, he doesn't NEED to do it in a grapple - his speed advantage is sufficient to land as many blows as it takes (without getting hit even once in return) to at least get a few seconds of KO on Lobo, then it's all over - no grappling, just death(ish) on an incapacitated opponent. I mean, I can see arguing that Thor can't do it in a grapple against a pissed off and PISsed off Lobo, I'd bet against him doing it myself, so if that's all we're arguing, fine, but please tell me that we're not arguing that Thor can't KO Lobo for a few seconds are we?

Thor's got board ruled speed that is higher than Lobo's best showing by a fairly significant amount. Thor is around as strong as Post-Crisis Superman. Post-Crisis Superman beats Lobo into paste (literally, paste) when he uses speed. Thor, who is MUCH slower than Superman but MUCH faster than Lobo will at least be able to KO him, and I don't see any reason why he can't turn him into goo as well (just in a longer timeframe), given that: Logo isn't immune to getting stunned, he doesn't no-sell Superman's punches, and he's going to be getting hit dozens of time a second at strength levels that he cannot tank. Sure, Thor might need to pound on an unconscious mass murderer for a couple of extra seconds, but that's what bloodlust is for.

Superman punching Lobo 100 times a second and Thor punching him 10 times a second are two very different things. Thor just isn't strong enough to punch Lobo to goo. However, he should be fast and strong enough to KO him. Which is all that he needs.

[Pendaran]

Once again, he doesn't NEED to do it in a grapple - his speed advantage is sufficient to land as many blows as it takes (without getting hit even once in return) to at least get a few seconds of KO on Lobo, then it's all over - no grappling, just death(ish) on an incapacitated opponent. I mean, I can see arguing that Thor can't do it in a grapple against a pissed off and PISsed off Lobo, I'd bet against him doing it myself, so if that's all we're arguing, fine, but please tell me that we're not arguing that Thor can't KO Lobo for a few seconds are we?

Thor's got board ruled speed that is higher than Lobo's best showing by a fairly significant amount. Thor is around as strong as Post-Crisis Superman. Post-Crisis Superman beats Lobo into paste (literally, paste) when he uses speed. Thor, who is MUCH slower than Superman but MUCH faster than Lobo will at least be able to KO him, and I don't see any reason why he can't turn him into goo as well (just in a longer timeframe), given that: Logo isn't immune to getting stunned, he doesn't no-sell Superman's punches, and he's going to be getting hit dozens of time a second at strength levels that he cannot tank. Sure, Thor might need to pound on an unconscious mass murderer for a couple of extra seconds, but that's what bloodlust is for.

Without getting into Lobo's healing factor, the Godblast is not a thing of "two seconds". And again, I don't see Thor frankly pounding anyone who manages to make it into class 100 brick land "into goo". I wouldn't see him pounding Wonder Man into goo, and Simon is the Diet Coke of that tier, just one calorie, not enough brick (I actually see him as /just/ beneath such sorts, but anyway).

I can see him knocking the guy out for a ten count or well longer just fine, in which case the Godblast is moot, he already won, but unless he had.. a much longer time to punch up on the guy than any time relevant to this fight, mashing Lobo into a shapeless mass is not going down here.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Does Thor have to stand still to charge the GB? Cause if Lobo doesn't have any notable speedfeats, then can't Thor just casually dance around him (or literally tie him in a knot if it gets to grappling) and charge at his liesure?

[Pendaran]

Does Thor have to stand still to charge the GB?

Yes, he does.

Cause if Lobo doesn't have any notable speedfeats, then can't Thor just casually dance around him (or literally tie him in a knot if it gets to grappling) and charge at his liesure?

Nope.

[Beadle]

I know it's OT but.... damn.... this Pendaran-has-an-avatar thing is really starting to weird me out.

I just can't get used to it.

[Pendaran]

It has a few more days of life yet!

[Syrile Demonthyst]

I know it's OT but.... damn.... this Pendaran-has-an-avatar thing is really starting to weird me out.

I just can't get used to it.

It has a few more days of life yet!

See, comments like this prove I was correct! :)
Since adding it you have been getting ignored far less and in fact it has been commented on repeatedly! :D

In all seriousness, it does stand out a lot more.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Well he can apparently charge it during a grapple, so some degree of movement is apparently allowable during that charge period. If Thor puts his back to the wall and start charging, is there anything Lobo can do to stop Thor from just superspeed punching/throwing him and/or his chain to the other side of the arena when he gets to melee range?

Actually, can Lobo break his own chain? 'Cause if not, then going against someone much faster than himself while carrying an easy method of restraining people in his own weight class might be Lobo's downfall for at least a 10 count.

[Pendaran]

Well he can apparently charge it during a grapple

He was not, in the incident he charged it, again, /moving/. They weren't grabbing onto each other and rolling around. They were in place where they were.

is there anything Lobo can do to stop Thor from just superspeed punching/throwing him and/or his chain to the other side of the arena when he gets to melee range?

That Thor has his back to a wall and is focused on calling up the godblast would itself stop Thor from doing what you note. Alternatively Lobo can just then get close enough and start swinging his chain away.

Why some people are obsessed with trying to invoke for Thor as fight viable an attack that, in its entire history, actually only has the one dubious showing involving a guy stronger than Thor besides having that aspect of him ignored to make it go to even somewhat support this line of arguement, instead of simply saying "Thor punches the guy in a rapid barrage to render him unconscious" is really beyond me here.

It's worth noting that nigh unto all the other times Thor tossed the Godblast out by the by? Involved /even more effort/. From having had to brace Mjolnir to straight up chanting in wierd languages.

[The Drunkard Kid]

He was not, in the incident he charged it, again, /moving/. They weren't grabbing onto each other and rolling around. They were in place where they were.

Ah, one of those "grabbing hands and staring meaningfully into one another's eyes" grapples, huh?