Love it, I prefer them as the World's Finest
Eh, I don't care either way
Hate it, Superman and Bats should be at each others throats Frank Miller style
None of these, I just want to continue to complain about the Nu 52
So, then by your rationale, Roger Stern and Dan Jurgens were both bad writers for having Superman give Batman the ring in the first place and then using it effectively in one story. It's bad writing to have the one thing specifically designed to weaken and kill Superman, not be in the hands of someone who will take him down. That is what the whole point of the ring's purpose after it was taken from Lex. Yes, there were stories where Clark survived it. Not because it was Superman is better than Batman and thus shouldn't be beaten by a mere mortal. But because the writers had a different ending in mind. It was only brought up because of continuity issues. There has to be a level of credibility with both the notion that a mortal can kill Superman with his greatest weakness. Otherwise Lex Luthor and Kryptonite in general is pointless.
Lex Luthor has more going for him than just Kryptonite. To the world he's a respected bussinessman and scientist. NO to mention the metahuman henchmen at his service. Also Lex is way smarter than Batman and has way better technology.
"Man Of Steel" #3, Superman: The Man Of Steel Annual #4, The Batman Chronicles #7, Superman #83, Action Comics #719, "No Man's Land", "Bruce Wayne: Fugitive", "American Dreams", "Rock Of Ages", "Terror Incognita", "The Tornado Path", Superman/Batman and countless other stories where Superman flew to Gotham to talk with Bruce. Or help out.Batman is pointless in Superman's world. Haven't you noticed how they never allow Superman to go to Gotham? Yet Batman always finds his way to Metropolis? They know Gotham has no challenge for the Man of steel.
Why would I pretend to like Superman? What do I gain from pretending? Why would I waste money on comics, books, movies, CD's, hats, shirts and toys? Why would I spend all my time in here talking about Superman? Seriously, think before you type.Seriously dude, stop pretending you like Superman.
Yet, in the time I've been reading the books, the one thing he's prided himself on obtaining the most is Kryptonite. He wanted what Metallo had and he got it. He lost the ring and was scrambling to find another piece, even almost risking his own life in Engine City to get what he wanted. He pulled a fast one on Clark in order to get the ring back and then had to deal with Clark, Bruce and Lois when they came for the ring and managed to switch it back. In "Up, Up And Away", we learned that he was the recipient of all the Kryptonite that fell to Earth in "Public Enemies", which was stolen from Kord Industries. Not to mention that he had injected it into his system, in order to fight Clark. In "Supergirl: Power", he had pieces of Kryptonite in his warsuit's gauntlet. In Action Comics Annual #10, he went looking for Kryptonite and had four shards in his possession, which he then gave to Metallo as a power up.Lex Luthor has more going for him than just Kryptonite.
If Lex was so smart, why did Bruce manage to keep him from taking over Gotham in "No Man's Land"? If Lex was so smart, why didn't he know that the Kryptonite ring was switched in Detective Comics #756? If Lex was so smart, why didn't he know that Bruce had bought off Mirror Master so that the JLA could find and stop the Injustice League? If Lex was so smart, why did he disbelieve that Clark Kent was Superman when he had a computer tell him? If Lex was so smart, he wouldn't have been impeached and he wouldn't have lost Lexcorp. And if Lex was so smart, why was he exposed as a criminal three times over?To the world he's a respected bussinessman and scientist. NO to mention the metahuman henchmen at his service. Also Lex is way smarter than Batman and has way better technology.
Better technology? Yeah, so why is Superman still alive?
Considering it has never happened in main continuity and superman kicked that dirty rodent's ass several times, there is no need for me to make excuses like you do. "Story, plot, bad writing, bitching, blah, blah, sob, sob" that's your entire argument.Considering you call Superman losing to Batman bad writing, you ought to talk.
Concession accepted. Now move on and accept that Superman would always kick that dirty rodent's ass. Yeah, its pathetic how rabid batman fanboys like you areTalk about pathetic.
Superman:"I'm a newspaperman; I'll take a vacation when I die."
Did Superman need Batman to decide to leave earth during exile? No. They gave the kryptonite to Batman so he could have an edge over Superman... Cheer fanboyism.
That whole story Dark Knight over Metropolis was quite good until that moment. By the way Not once did they have Superman using his super speed so Batman didn't look bad.
And most of those appearances were in Superman books. No Man's Land was a joke as well. They come up with a bullshit reason for Superman not to everything by himself.
Luthor greastest weakness besides his hatred for the man of steel is hubris. That's why he didn't believe Clark Kent and Superman were the same person.
Luthor hasn't get his way because of hubris and Superman.
Really? You're the one who said that Superman didn't lose his powers right away in "Superman & The Legion Of Super-Heroes", when it's blatantly not true. Which also doesn't change that you are a rabid Superman fan who cannot accept that Superman loses and could very well lose to Batman. You might want to read this.Originally Posted by abhilegend
I wasn't talking about it happening, I was talking about the potential for it.Considering it has never happened in main continuity and superman kicked that dirty rodent's ass several times, there is no need for me to make excuses like you do. "Story, plot, bad writing, bitching, blah, blah, sob, sob" that's your entire argument.
The exact words were..."I have many enemies of great power. There are beings who have tried to subvert my will, control me. They have never completely succeeded...but I live in fear that, someday, they might. If that should ever happen, if I should ever lose control, there would be only one sure way to stop me." He was talking about not only what Brainiac, Amazing Grace, Darkseid and Sleeze had done, but also about the whole Gangbuster stint. It wasn't just mind control, but loss of control of his own self. That's why Jurgens story didn't involve mind control, but Clark's greatest fear, which was losing control and going rogue.Just before giving Batman the ring, Superman said: "Paraphrasing"There have been enemies who had tried to control me due to my great power. If I ever become a threat I want the only mean to stop me to be in the hands of the only man I would trust with my life.... It was all about mind control or Superman somehow becoming a threat.
He gave him the ring because he wanted someone who would pull the trigger. Diana wouldn't. Arthur wouldn't. Hal wouldn't. Bruce would. That's why at that point the World's Finest team was truly reborn. That story was written before Batman became what he is now. Before the Bat God. Before prep time.Did Superman need Batman to decide to leave earth during exile? No. They gave the kryptonite to Batman so he could have an edge over Superman... Cheer fanboyism.
Superman hardly uses super speed unless it's traveling or having to get somewhere in a hurry. Most of his fights are normal speed.That whole story Dark Knight over Metropolis was quite good until that moment. By the way Not once did they have Superman using his super speed so Batman didn't look bad.
I wasn't talking about threats. You said that Superman didn't go to Gotham, I proved that he did.Man of Steel 3 was beyond pathetic... Macpie of all people... Come on dude.
Superman appeared in Batman #428 and 429. You also didn't say in Batman books, you said Gotham.And most of those appearances were in Superman books.
It was the same reason that Superman didn't rebuild all of Metropolis following Action Comics #700. You might want to re-read Adventures Of Superman #522.No Man's Land was a joke as well. They come up with a bullshit reason for Superman not to everything by himself.
Which doesn't mean that I love Batman over Superman. It means that if we are ever to take human threats like Lex Luthor or Batman seriously, then there has to be a threat credibility for them. Otherwise, what's the point of having Lex as Superman's arch nemesis?It is you who must pay attention to the things you type. You claim to really like Superman but everytime he's compared to other characters: Batman specifically you side with that said character. Every single time.
But it's been the main one that Lex has gone after, regardless of how powerful Superman was. He may have deviated by using that satellite to cause Clark's powers to go out of control, trying to manipulate Brainiac to use his powers or created Bizarro and Brawl. But at the end of the day, Lex kept hunting for Kryptonite. And even when he had other weapons like the red sun flamethrower and the warship, he still used Kryptonite as his weapon of choice. The last twenty years before the reboot he had Bloodsport, the Parasite, Metallo, Reactron, the Battle Armor and other Kryptonite based weapons. He used that more than he did anything else.Because at that time Superman was weaker and kryptonite was the one tool he could use to cause him more harm. But Kryptonite has never been the only tool at Lex's disposal.
Yet, Lex was unable to create the means that worked like Bruce did. The watch was successful. The synthetic Kryptonite as well.Because he is Superman!!
Yes, but you said Lex was smarter than Batman. Obviously, he's not.Luthor greastest weakness besides his hatred for the man of steel is hubris. That's why he didn't believe Clark Kent and Superman were the same person.
Luthor hasn't get his way because of hubris and Superman.
Because Batman had Superman's collaboration. Without Superman trusting him, he would've never accomplished those things. By synthetic kryptonite you mean the red-k used by Ra's Al Ghull during Tower Of Babel? Because during King Of The World the synthetic K didn't work.
Lex is smarter than Batman... By a lot. It's just that Batman has had some advantages (Due to Superman's closeness)
How can you see that Batman isn't as smart as Lex? We've seen the technology Bruce created. There were periods when both relied on others to build technology for their use. Hell, Batman's tech works because he's captured criminals with it or reached whatever destination he's had in mind. Lex's doesn't work because he cannot kill Superman. Much less hurt him long term. A good example is the synthetic Kryptonite. Batman was able to make it pretty easily. Lex couldn't even do that much.Lex is smarter than Batman... By a lot. It's just that Batman has had some advantages (Due to Superman's closeness)
But as it is, let's ask this question. If you cannot take Batman seriously as a threat to Superman, then by that rationale, do you take Lex seriously as a threat to Superman? If you say yes to Lex over Batman, then you show bias. Because both are the same. Both are brilliant inventors and are powerless. Both know Superman's weakness and in the past, both had access to it. The only difference is motivation for trying to stop Superman. So, how can Lex be a threat and not Batman? If you say no to Lex being a threat, as well as Batman, then doesn't that make Lex worthless as an adversary?
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Lex is smarter than Batman (Project everyman nuff said)
Lex is a threat to Superman because he's also a threat to the world. Lex's greed and selfishness... The things he represents are completely opposite to Superman. One on one... All of Lex's resources against Superman there's no contest Superman could just kill Lex and get done with it. But it's not about that. It's about principles and ideas. About setting an example. Killing Lex won't help our social development which is Superman ultimate goal. Bruce Wayne aka Batman can't be a threat to Superman because he's not a selfish bastard out to make a quick buck with the suffering of others.
FAdam K- How do you read comics and sit around on this board and not know who Gorilla Man is after the last couple of years??
Boycott #1 issues!!!!!
Where is red hulk's moustache?
I love the DKOM story. When Clark gives him the ring I never took it as "here is an instant win button" but as him saying if anyone ever gets ultimate mind control or i go red kryptonite crazy then use the ring and "do your best to stop me"
Nope, he can't beat superman. End of discussion. The sooner you accept it and move on, the better for you.I wasn't talking about it happening, I was talking about the potential for it.
Superman:"I'm a newspaperman; I'll take a vacation when I die."