Elijah Snow & Jackson King

[Desaad]

No desire for this.

I really enjoyed Planetary for what it was, although I think it's become a little overrated in the intervening years. Anyway, it was pure Ellis, and certainly the smartest (if not emotionally truest) thing he's done outside of Transmet.

But what made the book great wasn't any character in particular. It wasn't the Drummer, it wasn't Jakita, it wasn't even Snow. Most of those characters were, as mentioned, thinly veiled pastiches of other characters.

Two things primarily made it great; 1. It was an exploration and critique of pop culture phenomena. It had depth and it had purpose, every issue. 2. There was a TONE, a desire for big ideas and forward thinking, that classic Ellis romantic sci-fi.

Paul Cornell had it right, conceptually, creating his own characters that very much FELT like Ellis characters, but with which he had free reign. Part of the wonder of those characters was precisely that you didn't know them very well -- they were unpredictable, they were enigmatic, there was a lot to learn.

Unfortunately it didn't come off -- Paul Cornell isn't Warren Ellis, and he never will be, and his downfall was trying to write like Warren Ellis instead of trying to write like Paul Cornell. But I think the spirit of what he was trying to do, what he was trying to capture, was good, even if his particular execution didn't match up.

[Green Arrow Jr.]

I would really like to see Jackson King & Elijah Snow back in the new 52 sooner than later

I thought they would be by now.

[Young Corn God]

I agree that I'm not interested in a Planetary without Ellis and Cassaday.

I would, however, very much like to see Jackson King back in the DCU, preferably helming STORMWATCH, the book for which he was the lead character for nearly its entire original run.

[JaggedFel]

Indeed I was annoyed by that

[SilverZeal]

I would really like to see Jackson King & Elijah Snow back in the new 52 sooner than later

Same here...hek, y not hv Snow & King as a duo on their own ongoing title.

Of course after dey hv bn very well used & devlpd in Stormwatch, Team 7 & perhaps Deathstroke.

[SilverZeal]

No desire for this.

I really enjoyed Planetary for what it was, although I think it's become a little overrated in the intervening years. Anyway, it was pure Ellis, and certainly the smartest (if not emotionally truest) thing he's done outside of Transmet.

But what made the book great wasn't any character in particular. It wasn't the Drummer, it wasn't Jakita, it wasn't even Snow. Most of those characters were, as mentioned, thinly veiled pastiches of other characters.

Two things primarily made it great; 1. It was an exploration and critique of pop culture phenomena. It had depth and it had purpose, every issue. 2. There was a TONE, a desire for big ideas and forward thinking, that classic Ellis romantic sci-fi.

Paul Cornell had it right, conceptually, creating his own characters that very much FELT like Ellis characters, but with which he had free reign. Part of the wonder of those characters was precisely that you didn't know them very well -- they were unpredictable, they were enigmatic, there was a lot to learn.

Unfortunately it didn't come off -- Paul Cornell isn't Warren Ellis, and he never will be, and his downfall was trying to write like Warren Ellis instead of trying to write like Paul Cornell. But I think the spirit of what he was trying to do, what he was trying to capture, was good, even if his particular execution didn't match up.

Hmmm....very well said abt Planetary, we/SZ hadnt lukd @ it dat way.

[SilverZeal]

I agree that I'm not interested in a Planetary without Ellis and Cassaday.

I would, however, very much like to see Jackson King back in the DCU, preferably helming STORMWATCH, the book for which he was the lead character for nearly its entire original run.

Seriously thought King/Battalion wud hv bn on d nu 52 SW buk frm d beginning but sumhw its not d case & even if King was on d team as leader we/SZ think he wud hv been immensely under-utilised & den killd-off like wat happnd 2 Adam-1. As of right NOW we/SZ just want 2 c King on Stormwatch & den hv him b slowly devlpd showing his capabilities, building his personality & leadership skills until he eventually bcums leader of SW.

It almost mindboggling y King has appeard anywhere yet in SW or elsewhr.(Team 7, Grifter, Deathstroke, Voodoo).

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

Oh. More Image / WildSturm-und-drang characters. =yawn!=

Not surprising that I had no clue as to who they are.

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about those characters being on the same earth, one reason is that it creates a repeated Batman and Superman, but it also crowds the universe too much for me. I find it more exiting to have them on their own Earth. Oddly enough I don't feel that way about the Milestone characters, I guess McDuffie sold me the idea in the animated Universe. However, I don't consider separate earths a punishment, I like the JSA on Earth-2; too bad they lost their WWII setting, that really sucks for me.

[JimmyOlsenMustDie]

Elijah Snow's not allowed in the new DCU. He is way past the age limit.

[Mr. Holmes]

I was going to say Snow would work as one of Batman's mentors (actually it looks like I already said that earlier here) but with the 5 year timeline crap, Snow died at least 10 years ago and it wouldn't be possible.

Since we were talking about Planetary in another thread, I would love to see a Planetary-styled Challengers of the Unknown. Make them sci-fi archeologists like Snow and Wagner.

[BohemiaDrinker]

I was going to say Snow would work as one of Batman's mentors (actually it looks like I already said that earlier here) but with the 5 year timeline crap, Snow died at least 10 years ago and it wouldn't be possible.

Why would that be? Century Babies don't die at the turn of the century. The Spirit of the Century does, of course, but that`s just Jenny.

[Namtab]

I was going to say Snow would work as one of Batman's mentors (actually it looks like I already said that earlier here) but with the 5 year timeline crap, Snow died at least 10 years ago and it wouldn't be possible.

Probably for the better, in this case. As much as I like your idea of Snow being one of Bruce's mentors, I'm not sure I would like the New 52 version, beyond that... especially without Ellis.

[Desaad]

Why would that be? Century Babies don't die at the turn of the century. The Spirit of the Century does, of course, but that`s just Jenny.

Exactly. That's incorrect, Snow will live for as long as he'd like. His RELEVANCE might be gone by 2000, but...

[Desaad]

Probably for the better, in this case. As much as I like your idea of Snow being one of Bruce's mentors, I'm not sure I would like the New 52 version, beyond that... especially without Ellis.

Ellis part owns the character, so it won't happen anyway.

[Mr. Holmes]

Why would that be? Century Babies don't die at the turn of the century. The Spirit of the Century does, of course, but that`s just Jenny.

Ah thanks, I stand corrected.