Earth 2 #3 Preview / Eventual Discussion **SPOILERS**

**batGRRRl4ever** · 06-28-2012, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jadenewt

I think given time that Earth 2 will prove to be a great book but if you go in thinking it's going to be the old JSA book you are kinda missing the point of it. This origin runs a line that is pretty similar to Alan's original origin.. But Slightly different.. I don't see how you could expect it to be anything else..

Don't mind it, some have had the absolute same reaction to the Batgirl book in "wanting to like it" but having old expectations of continuation of previous interpretations and not simply being open to the slightly different/updated changes. I'm sure some will have the exact same broken record of complaints that Earth 2 isn't like the "old" JSA issue after issue and never stopping with the complaints until nearly a year later. If one doesn't like a comic it's simply far better to concentrate on the one's one does like, IMO.

**MrHashasheen** · 06-28-2012, 08:46 PM

So... gay lover get's killed, Alan Scott get's Two-faced before receiving the Earth's energy (shades of Poison Ivy and Swamp Thing), and Superman was a sun-god.

... I'm not really getting drawn in here, Robinson.

**batGRRRl4ever** · 06-28-2012, 08:48 PM

It's been stated already that the Earth 2 heroes are more if not magic, mystical in nature and origin than their main DCU Earth counterparts.

**Sunbird** · 06-28-2012, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by batGRRRl4ever

Don't mind it, some have had the absolute same reaction to the Batgirl book in "wanting to like it" but having old expectations of continuation of previous interpretations and not simply being open to the slightly different/updated changes. I'm sure some will have the exact same broken record of complaints that Earth 2 isn't like the "old" JSA issue after issue and never stopping with the complaints until nearly a year later. If one doesn't like a comic it's simply far better to concentrate on the one's one does like, IMO.

Or you could stay away from comics for twenty years until the thing you didn't like went away.

**Sacred Knight** · 06-28-2012, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sunbird

And lordy I cannot wait until we have some deep blue water between us and the reboot because I am becoming mighty sick of predictable origin stories

I suspect it might too but with decompression we've got a long wait ahead of us.

Well it was pretty obvious from the start they were intent on stripping out everything I liked about the JSA.

Apparently DC didn't either.

Using a trope is not a cliche or a bad thing. Using it in a lazy or predicable way is. I'm not against character deaths. I'm against them being used in a lazy or cheap way.

What constitutes a not lazy, not cheap, and not predictable method in killing off a character to aid in your main protagonist's growth? Its pretty straightfoward. Is this any more cheap or lazy than say, Obi-Wan Kenobi being killed to aid the growth of Luke Skywalker? Not really. Its an effective, yet pretty simple trope to apply. You're needlessly complicating it just so you can say you have no problem with the trope while at the same time ripping on its use here.

**CBikle** · 06-28-2012, 09:01 PM

That dialogue was terrible - you'd think that a conversation between a guy and a pillar of magical green fire would be a little more lively and less cliched and awkward.

**CagedLeo730** · 06-28-2012, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sunbird

For reals? I'm surprised he spoilt Sam's death (which like others here I'm not utterly convinced will stick anyway).

And if you disapprove of relentless cynicism in the face of tired out shock tropes (let's kill a little girl/boyfriend/fiance!), what is the appropriate reaction? I'm kinda tied between rolling my eyes and stifling a yawn.

I don't disapprove of relentless cynicism when it's aimed at the right person/persons. To lump everything as an editorial mandate (DC editors basically telling writers what to do) you take away credit or blame from specific writers and editors. Robinson has stated many times that these are his decisions. The only editorial mandate is to make a good story and use only characters available to Earth 2. He's given a lot of rope unlike George Perez and the "editors" of Superman. It's too easy to blame DC as a faceless monolith but it has moving parts.

**ArnoldoAAD** · 06-28-2012, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sunbird

Or you could stay away from comics for twenty years until the thing you didn't like went away.

lol, only a whiny fanboy would do something like that

im specking in general of course, not specifically on anyone who does and had done that in the past, just to be clear

**ArnoldoAAD** · 06-28-2012, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by CBikle

That dialogue was terrible - you'd think that a conversation between a guy and a pillar of magical green fire would be a little more lively and less cliched and awkward.

I think it was way better than the dialog between Jay and a Roman God that just go over and over and over the same point of going to the hospital

Originally Posted by CagedLeo730

I don't disapprove of relentless cynicism when it's aimed at the right person/persons. To lump everything as an editorial mandate (DC editors basically telling writers what to do) you take away credit or blame from specific writers and editors. Robinson has stated many times that these are his decisions. The only editorial mandate is to make a good story and use only characters available to Earth 2. He's given a lot of rope unlike George Perez and the "editors" of Superman. It's too easy to blame DC as a faceless monolith but it has moving parts.

I agree, some of the worst stories made by Robinson has been because of Editorial mandates, see C4J and NK
However i think is pretty lazy to resort on the refrigerated gay guy
Sams only purpose is just to out Alan as being Gay and nothing else, he was dead from the first panel

**Sk8maven** · 06-28-2012, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by CagedLeo730

Except that Robinson stated there would be more gay, female and minority characters to come. And that Alan Scott will find another love interest. Sorry to burst your conspiracy about "they" at DC.

I'm betting that Alan's new love interest will be Dr. Mid-Nite. (The Golden Age original Dr. always tripped my "gaydar" anyway.)

**Sacred Knight** · 06-28-2012, 11:14 PM

Sams only purpose is just to out Alan as being Gay and nothing else, he was dead from the first panel

No, his purpose is to give Alan a reason to resent his very source of power and play for that dynamic for however long Robinson wishes to. Yes he obviously served also to establish one of the protagonists as a gay man, but that's not going to be the only nor main effect of the character's brief presence.

**speedline** · 06-28-2012, 11:19 PM

Incredible cover art going on there. Holy balls I wish I had the talent!

**ArnoldoAAD** · 06-28-2012, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sk8maven

I'm betting that Alan's new love interest will be Dr. Mid-Nite. (The Golden Age original Dr. always tripped my "gaydar" anyway.)

I hope is not another superhero and just a normal guy

**MrHashasheen** · 06-29-2012, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by batGRRRl4ever

It's been stated already that the Earth 2 heroes are more if not magic, mystical in nature and origin than their main DCU Earth counterparts.

Sure, for Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman. But it's freakin' Superman. Alien baby fell to earth is his schtik. Sun God sounds more like Wildstorm's Apollo.