Ultimates #12 Spoilers/Discussion

[SpiderX]

I just realized that Tony gaining this new ability kind of places him in an important position for when they need to take down Stryker. Since Stryker's mutant ability is also to talk to machines and he has control of the Nimrod fleet. They obviously can't just go in and destroy all the robots. Someone is going to have to wrest control away from him. Well played Ultimate writing team well played.

[Robbie_Jee]

I'm very curious to see where they go from here but I really hope they don't drag things out. First off, what's up with the People? Did Zorn survive or what? Second, what will be Reed's fate? Third, when is Cap coming back? Four, what's up with Modi? Five, what's up with Thor basically being Valhalla?

I hope it doesn't take more than 3 issues to cover all this. It shouldn't.

Also: What's happening with most of the Ultimates being captured by Flumm and will we actually get to see The Cube?

She-Hulk has been mentioned a few times. Looks like she was cut out if the arc to make way for Humphries.
Rushed, definitely rushed. XD

[Balfro]

I just realized that Tony gaining this new ability kind of places him in an important position for when they need to take down Stryker. Since Stryker's mutant ability is also to talk to machines and he has control of the Nimrod fleet. They obviously can't just go in and destroy all the robots. Someone is going to have to wrest control away from him. Well played Ultimate writing team well played.

Good call

[robcastor729]

I just realized that Tony gaining this new ability kind of places him in an important position for when they need to take down Stryker. Since Stryker's mutant ability is also to talk to machines and he has control of the Nimrod fleet. They obviously can't just go in and destroy all the robots. Someone is going to have to wrest control away from him. Well played Ultimate writing team well played.

Great find. I didn't even put those two things together.

[sage6paths]

I just realized that Tony gaining this new ability kind of places him in an important position for when they need to take down Stryker. Since Stryker's mutant ability is also to talk to machines and he has control of the Nimrod fleet. They obviously can't just go in and destroy all the robots. Someone is going to have to wrest control away from him. Well played Ultimate writing team well played.

I wouldn't mind that happening instead of Tony talking to the City but what's done is done.

[Bookem Danno]

For those complaining...eh.

Look, I understand the frustration. To this point, it's seemed as though the book was about two opposing visions of the future crashing against each other to see who would take their rightful place as the one true Tomorrow.

But it's perfectly in keeping with that thematic thread for the Ultimates - the people of today - to throw away predestination and find their own way, a third way. They're heroes -- they won't be boxed into the lesser of two evils.

As an ending, in that sense, I thought it was fine. There do seem to be a number of threads that were randomly left on the table, but I don't see how they might have been wrapped up in any satisfying way in just a couple of issues anyway, so presumably they were never meant to be.

If I have an issue, it's that the whole - the tumor is sentient and has teknesis (???) deus ex machina to be totally nonsensical and out from nowhere.

Executionally I thought the issue was fun, but it hinges on this big macguffin that doesn't really make a lot of sense, and seems very fortituous (even if there is a nice parallel between helpful tumor = helpful city).

I mostly agree with this review. Although some of the number of threads that were randomly left on the table probably bother me as much as the wild macguffin if they are not dealt with next aftermath issue. Also, do we know who is on the last page - I am not that familiar with all things U.U.?

[sage6paths]

I mostly agree with this review. Although some of the number of threads that were randomly left on the table probably bother me as much as the wild macguffin if they are not dealt with next aftermath issue. Also, do we know who is on the last page - I am not that familiar with all things U.U.?

Ultimate Captain America.

[neoblackdragon]

I'm still waiting on all those X-men costumes those first few covers showed. From what I can gather, they will not be seen in Ultimate X-Men. Overall I think Ultimate comic covers tend to lie about what actually happens inside.

[Wellman]

I loved this issue.

It was a good close to the threat of the City (or crazy Reed really), while leaving it still viable later on. Just like the People, they are a new element that leaves the Ultimate universe changed but in a way that still opens story telling possibilities rather then close them. Tony being instrumental to it also works, with Susan being the final nail to bring Reed down for the time being.

Now with Divided We Fall, Humphries and Wood will probably clean up the Nimrod mess in the states along with the issues brought about by Flumm's coup of SHIELD. But as long as the ride stays enjoyable and intriguing, I'll be sticking around.

[chadasaurus]

I'm still waiting on all those X-men costumes those first few covers showed. From what I can gather, they will not be seen in Ultimate X-Men. Overall I think Ultimate comic covers tend to lie about what actually happens inside.

This isn't unique to Ultimate covers. 616 covers can be just as bad sometimes. Haha

[Plawsky]

Also: What's happening with most of the Ultimates being captured by Flumm and will we actually get to see The Cube?

She-Hulk has been mentioned a few times. Looks like she was cut out if the arc to make way for Humphries.
Rushed, definitely rushed. XD

The book isn't over. Wouldn't the fact that those plot threads haven't been addressed yet be the opposite of rushed? I agree that the takedown of Reed was done a little quickly, but everything else is business as usual.

[Cryptid]

This issue proves once again that Jonathan Hickman is the Isaac Asimov of comics, interested in polities and riddles rather than individual psychology or straight-ahead action. His run on The Future Foundation feels like a light homage to Asimov's Foundation series, while his Pax Romana joins Foundation as an alternative history of the church's role in reviving the west after the fall of Rome. Hickman's Ultimates began with a collection of fictional city-states (kind of like his run on Fantastic Four) but then ended with the kind of plot-twist that shows up in nearly every story of the I, Robot series.

I'm not complaining. Any attempt to think of superheroes at the level of civilization rather than personal melodrama will necessarily involve a shift toward the alienated perspective of the Asimov stories...but let's not pretend this stuff is shiny new.

[Robbie_Jee]

The book isn't over. Wouldn't the fact that those plot threads haven't been addressed yet be the opposite of rushed? I agree that the takedown of Reed was done a little quickly, but everything else is business as usual.

I see your point.
And I stand corrected.
But you'd better be right, Plawsky. You'd better be right.

[Punchdrunk]

Liked the issue.
Only qualm, like others is that I wanted more.
It's not that I thought it was rushed or that I felt Anthony was tooooo Deus Ex Machina like.
It's just that I enjoyed all the scenes and feel that they could have used a little more room to breathe.
I agree with Balfro that they had to take Reed down quickly but I would have suspended my disbelief to enjoy a longer Sue vs Reed conversation and Tony selling Sue on the confrontation conversation.
We didn't need a more involved City vs Children fight but I would have liked it - along with Ulty Thor vs Giant Hulk etc.

Liked it all very much - just wanted a little more.

[Mutant God]

I knew in the beginning I was going to be dissapointed with Reed losing but now I guess he can do better stuff now like be a apart of HYDRA, create new villians for Ultimates, X-Men, and Spider-Man, or knowing Nick Fury's leadership probably be the head scientist of SHEILD