It's hard to let go of old favorites but we must try.

[Crisis]

Flashpoint was an extremely contrived comic book event that lead to the entire Post-Crisis Era go out in a sputter.

This is from a fan of much of the New 52.

Didn't that happen with Post Infinite Crisis??

[CaptCleghorn]

Yeah well Crisis on Infinite Earths fits that description exactly too. It's just the nature of the business.

The difference between Flashpoint and COIE is that COIE offered the opportunity to say goodbye to concepts that were being retired; Flashpoint did not. It could be argued that COIE's goodbyes weren't particularly effective, but they did exist. Flashpoint came in and BOOM, nuDC with no closure.

[Comet Man]

The difference between Flashpoint and COIE is that COIE offered the opportunity to say goodbye to concepts that were being retired; Flashpoint did not. It could be argued that COIE's goodbyes weren't particularly effective, but they did exist. Flashpoint came in and BOOM, nuDC with no closure.

To people who have never read DC, or even a comic book before, that shouldn't even matter, should it?

[Mr. Holmes]

The difference between Flashpoint and COIE is that COIE offered the opportunity to say goodbye to concepts that were being retired; Flashpoint did not. It could be argued that COIE's goodbyes weren't particularly effective, but they did exist. Flashpoint came in and BOOM, nuDC with no closure.

Since I had stopped reading DC before the relaunch, I could care less.

[CaptCleghorn]

Since I had stopped reading DC before the relaunch, I could care less.

To people who have never read DC, or even a comic book before, that shouldn't even matter, should it?

The point isn't who cares or if it matters to everyone, the point is that there is a difference between the two changes.

[Mr. Holmes]

Any other non-points you care to share?

[kelly_warrior_princess]

It's hard to let go believe me I know when it comes to what you expect from the characters you love. I wish there was a way to meet in the middle but it appears that is not going to happen anytime soon. DC has chosen to close the door on their past history and look to the future.

An i've chosen to close the door on DC's new universe. 8 issues in an i realised that i hated everything the reboot was doing. It wasn' a fear of change, it wasn't because i loved what came before to much, it was a legitimate hatred for the low quality writing, the writer hyping diproportionate to the product & the convoluted nonsense plots being put out.

A bold move to say the least but one that needs to be done I guess in the eyes of those in charge of the company. It is sad we won't be seeing the continuing adventures of old favorites but it is possible the new ones will take up the legacy of their former selves and bring us into a bright future.

Sure & if i were to punch you in the face, it might not hurt & may cause a universal rip, which gifts you with god like powers... But i wouldn't bet on that either.

[Jadenewt]

The difference between Flashpoint and COIE is that COIE offered the opportunity to say goodbye to concepts that were being retired; Flashpoint did not. It could be argued that COIE's goodbyes weren't particularly effective, but they did exist. Flashpoint came in and BOOM, nuDC with no closure.

Looking at the Sales History before FlashPoint I'd say that most readers had found their own 'goodbye' point with most of the books coming out from DC at the time.

[CaptCleghorn]

Any other non-points you care to share?

The proper phrase is "couldn't care less"

[Mr. Holmes]

The proper phrase is "couldn't care less"

It wasn't a literal request, but okay.

[Comet Man]

An i've chosen to close the door on DC's new universe. 8 issues in an i realised that i hated everything the reboot was doing. It wasn' a fear of change, it wasn't because i loved what came before to much, it was a legitimate hatred for the low quality writing, the writer hyping diproportionate to the product & the convoluted nonsense plots being put out.



Sure & if i were to punch you in the face, it might not hurt & may cause a universal rip, which gifts you with god like powers... But i wouldn't bet on that either.

Why come into a thread where the thread starter is being positive and mature, and just be the opposite? Not just you, but all the other anti New DC scavengers like yourself.

[PennyDreadful]

Another thing: how do we know this new continuity will last even ten years, let alone twenty? As mentioned upthread, DC's gone overboard with reboots and crisis crossovers in the last decade. This could be just another DC event, albiet with a little more marketing. Granted, I don't see a return to the previous continuity.

But I will say that if DC was really having sales problems, then they brought it on themselves. Continuity wasn't the problem. Crappy comics were the problem. Also tons of character deaths, lots of grimdarkness, and, for the most part, a general joylessness in the DCU. Jaime Reyes' first series was so refreshing because it went against that. I find the current crop of books to be more of the same, honestly.

But things could be worse. Instead of bringing in Liefeld, they could've hired Greg Land. Pornfaces for Catwoman and Starfire! What do you say to that?

[MajorHoy]

Why come into a thread where the thread starter is being positive and mature, and just be the opposite? Not just you, but all the other anti New DC scavengers like yourself.

Sometimes, people check threads like this to see if their might be a point / arguement they hadn't considered before.

(Then again, some people are just trolls.)

[Jadenewt]

Jaime Reyes' first series may have been refreshing.. but for some reason after issue 20 it dropped like a stone.. >.<

[jgiannantoni05]

The New 52/DCnU sucks and I'm done with it from a macro perspective. No more event crossovers for me, no more JLoA and other teams, no more trying out new stuff.

I'm just sticking with the best of the Batman comics (Snyder and Morrison), and pretending they continue on the old DCU for me. And if Batman comics change too much, then I'm done with DC for good.

The fact is, if they want to erase the classics, they must first surpass them.

And DC has shown us that they don't have the talent to do that.

QFT. Yes they must and they do not have the talent to do that.

And ultimately, the Pre-Flashpoint old DCU ended up a soft reboot for the DCU, many COIE changes were undone or softened. A unified nearly all-inclusive past-respecting (Morrisonesque) DCU is the way to go. Sad that Marvel has the better universe now, since they didn't reboot and do a poor reboot like this.