It's hard to let go of old favorites but we must try.

[Conway]

I think for the most part, all of us are reading more DC now than before the relaunch so we're accepting change pretty well. Just about everyone has at least one problem with the DCnU though, and that usually relates to the past. It is very easy to just discount it as holding on to the past, but if your gripes are valid then so is everyone else's.

Personally I felt that WF and Helena Wayne was lazy writing, after some discussion I think it was probably just rushed. Either way letting go of Helena B wasn't going to solve the problem. With the new Shazam! and Billy Batson I feel that they gave the character to someone that had no idea what the story was. I have to let go of that idea to accept the new story. It makes it much easier to feel for those JSA fans that have a whole new story with the same names on Earth-2.

Both arguments are right, but if I didn't cling to the past I wouldn't care about Superman or Batman at all, and I would only read newer characters that still have stories to tell me.

[Mr. Holmes]

Nah.

The general public still knows characters like Wally West from JLU, which had more viewers than every DCnU comic reader combined.

The people who watched JLU are familiar with a character who was named Wally West, but didn't really resemble the one in the comics anyway.

The general public only knows the classic Superman suit, and even if Man of Steel is successful, the Reeve suit will always be better known and recognised in history as the iconic Superman costume.

I'm sure people said the same thing as the Adam West Batman.

The fact is, if they want to erase the classics, they must first surpass them.

And DC has shown us that they don't have the talent to do that.

I guess you can think what you want, since this is a purely subjective and meaningless statement.

[Poe1809]

I'm sorry you didn't expect changes going into a reboot?

Who ever heard of changes in a reboot?!

[_Pandora_]

I don't like the rebooted TITANS history.

And I'm never letting go of Nightwing's TITANS, Young Justice, or Nightwing's OUTSIDERS until something simular to one of those teams returns. Wally West & Donna Troy are just the tip of the iceburg. Jericho, Tempest, Raven, Jesse Quick, Black Lightning & his daughter Thunder, Metamorpho, Arrowette, Aquagirl, Lian Harper, ect.

I'm not saying all those characters have to return, or all those teams have to return. It would just be nice to have one of those past teams Nightwing was the leader of, with some of those characters being a part of the team, be part of the new 52.

I won't be moving on until that happens.

Although the reason I posted in this thread is because...even though I won't let it go, I will accept a wide range of solutions. I would accept many different characters coming back from this long list of characters, and I would accept the team being a few different teams. I'm even open to one of these teams returning & not involving Nightwing on the roster. For example, a Young Justice team led by Stephanie Brown & Red Tornado would be fine by me, so long as it included people like Jericho, Raven, ect. Or an Outsiders book led by Black Lightning with a roster including his daughter Thunder, Metamorpho, Jade, Starfire, & Arsenal.

I know DC will eventually do a team book with some of these characters again. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. I just wish DC would get off the "BENCH", and play ball already.

P.S. - It would really make the book much better if Nightwing was the leader though. Just saying...

[NotSuper]

The general public still knows characters like Wally West from JLU, which had more viewers than every DCnU comic reader combined. The general public only knows the classic Superman suit, and even if Man of Steel is successful, the Reeve suit will always be better known and recognised in history as the iconic Superman costume. DC can sweep as much under the rug as it pleases; none of it is gone. Wally West, Donna Troy, Conner Kent, these characters are just one regime change from returning.

Most casual viewers didn't know or care Wally was the Flash in JLU. And frankly it doesn't matter if the Reeve suit is never surpassed in the minds of the masses, people will still recognize Superman as Superman as long as he has the S, the cape, and colors.

And even if the architects behind the reboot were all fired tomorrow, the old DCU would not come back. There's been too much time and effort gone into the project that to turn it back would be disastrous. The more years the reboot is in place, the more it will become the standard DCU until even the name DCnU becomes irrelevant--it'll just be the DCU. If you don't like the comics, you have the option of not buying them or just buying reprints. It might help one relieve cognitive dissonance to believe that things could go back to "normal," but eventually they'll be left waiting for something that never happens. I don't see anything productive about that. It seems like a waste of time when one could alternatively spend time reading or doing something they do enjoy.

I also think it's misguided to believe that DC wants to erase anything. They're not refusing to put out reprints of old series or downplay them at all. They're simply using a new continuity to tell stories with their characters, some in altered forms and some not. It's that simple.

The fact is, if they want to erase the classics, they must first surpass them.

And DC has shown us that they don't have the talent to do that.

Now you're just editorializing. If you're saying "talent" is whatever you happen to like, then discussing it with you would be pointless. But if you mean talent in the sense of creators that fans like and want to read, then it's easy to see that DC has some of the best talent in the industry.

[PennyDreadful]

It continues to be irritating to see the situation characterized this way: the New 52 DCU does *not* resemble the the Pre-COIE Multiverse any more than the Post-COIE DCU did. BOTH were different from the Pre-COIE Multiverse in different ways. If anything, the Post-COIE DCU was a closer relative of the Pre-COIE Multiverse than the New 52 DCU is.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I confess that in the last five years, maybe a little more, I noticed DC undoing several aspects of COIE, and it definitely made me think "return of status quo." I don't think it solely recalls the pre-COIE era. They've also brought back several 1990s characters and a 1990s aesthetic to some of the books.

I just remember the post-COIE era as a period where DC seemed to be trying new ideas and going in different directions. To be honest, I don't see that with the reboot. This is just my opinion. Also, there isn't any of the goofy fun of some of those Silver Age stories.

FWIW, I find the same problem with Marvel. How many times is Rogue going to battle Ms. Marvel, anyway? Haven't both characters grown past that?

[PennyDreadful]

Why even promise JLI to fans and not even give them the one they wanted? There's just so much pointless reseting that reduces characters to shadows of what they were. I don't want to read about Tim/Conner/Cassie/Bart etc. becoming friends, I ALREADY DID. Young Justice TV show has a richer better history than this new pap. Yes, I can accept change, but when it's change for the worse?

Well, for me, this reboot comes after two or three continuity-shaking Crisis Crossovers and several comic book eeeeeeee-vents that were also continuity-shaking. When I heard about this reboot, I thought, "AGAIN?!?!?" They bring back a bunch of characters in Blackest Night for Brightest Day, and after muddling through that event, a bunch of new plot threads were introduced (e.g., for Firestorm). These have now been dropped. Jade, for example, came back from the dead in Blackest Night. A year later, she's now MIA. What was the point of all these events anyway? I think one commenter in a different forum put it best: "At some point, the wheel is reinvented so often it deflates."

And I don't have an opinion of Superman's new costume, but some of the other costume changes are just unnecessary and unattractive. Black Canary's is a good example. Starfire's is another. What is Kory wearing, anyway? Bellbottoms with pasties?

[The Lucky One]

To me, the best book with Kal-El at present is

Hey, I read that to my older daughter at bedtime last night! Well, the FCBD version.

Perry White's voice hurts my throat, but she loves it.

-D

[MajorHoy]

I think for the most part, all of us are reading more DC now than before the relaunch so we're accepting change pretty well. Just about everyone has at least one problem with the DCnU though, and that usually relates to the past. It is very easy to just discount it as holding on to the past, but if your gripes are valid then so is everyone else's.

It could also be people are reading more DC titles now than before the "relaunch" (really reboot, whether DC is willing to admit that now or not) could be because:
* a lot of the titles had really gone downhill in the past year or so (as to how much of that was because of the planned "relaunch" or not is anybody's guess)
* some people tried to approach many of the New 52 books with an open mind, but nearly a year in may not feel quite so good about them. Some of the "freshness" quickly became stale and boring, and some of us may be fed-up with all the rotating creative musical chairs that constantly seems to go on when it comes to writers and artists. (It gets so bad that even DC can't keep the writers and artists straight on some cover credits! )

We can only wait and see whether the "0" issues may solve some problems, or if things will eventually stabilize a bit soon. I'm worried that things won't get better, and that's depressing to me.

[SteveGus]

Well, for me, this reboot comes after two or three continuity-shaking Crisis Crossovers and several comic book eeeeeeee-vents that were also continuity-shaking. When I heard about this reboot, I thought, "AGAIN?!?!?" They bring back a bunch of characters in Blackest Night for Brightest Day, and after muddling through that event, a bunch of new plot threads were introduced (e.g., for Firestorm). These have now been dropped. Jade, for example, came back from the dead in Blackest Night. A year later, she's now MIA. What was the point of all these events anyway? I think one commenter in a different forum put it best: "At some point, the wheel is reinvented so often it deflates."

I suppose that at this point out my biggest problem with the reboot is that it is a reboot. Like you said, from Identity Crisis forward, it seemed as if the DC universe was in a state of permacrisis, constantly threatening to reboot itself over and over again. This went on for the better part of seven years, and towards the end I had gotten used to it. I figured Flashpoint was no different from any of the other crossovers, and when it was done it would be back to crisis as usual.

The reboot has brought to the fore the fact that I have been enjoying DC less and less since Identity Crisis as well, thinking it was becoming too gory and too serious. I remember distinctly being told that the world after Flashpoint would be a happier place where the heroes all got along with each other. So don't say I was closed minded or too attached to the past; that was in fact what I wanted, and my hopes have been pretty much crushed.

[Cypher-Z]

Even here, the old trunks are (literally) out of the picture.

DC is being very aggressive about ditching the trunks, which reinforces the idea that they will never return.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

The trunks I can live with, even the new appearence which I dont like too much. What I do want though, is a Superman who acts like Superman.

Superman in justice league hes some silent observer god alien, in Action its 5 years ago and meh, Superman comic still doesnt quite have it but atleast its improved.

[destro]

It is sad we won't be seeing the continuing adventures of old favorites but it is possible the new ones will take up the legacy of their former selves and bring us into a bright future.

Nice to see you make an optimistic post, I've been critical of your attitude at times about DCNU. Remember 1000s of back issues are there for you to enjoy. And I'm sure you'll find some new characters to enjoy.

[Outside_85]

While Lexrules is right, and it is a sad and bitter truth that the old world is gone...

No, we don't have to accept it, we can stop buying the products where we disagree with DC's direction in hopes as many others have done the same so that its been enough for DC to change the course.
It's the same as visiting a restaurant where you ordered beef and the waiter serves pork.

[Fused]

Uh oh. Think Lex just hit the Acceptance phase in the 5 Stages of Grief. I just seem to bounce back and forth in between Anger and Depression over the things I hate.

*cough* Power Girl *cough-cough*.

[Lexrules]

Uh oh. Think Lex just hit the Acceptance phase in the 5 Stages of Grief. I just seem to bounce back and forth in between Anger and Depression over the things I hate.

*cough* Power Girl *cough-cough*.

LOL.. I think your right.