The problem was that "Hawkworld" was originally intended as the origin point like "Man Of Steel", "Year One" and "Emerald Dawn". But then DC editorial screwed it up by pushing things around. Tony Ingram is right. It wasn't a Crisis problem. Not in the strictest sense. It was a DC editorial problem because had "Hawkworld" been left as is, there would not have been any continuity problems and the stories with Hawkman in "Zero Hour" and "The Return Of Hawkman" would not have been necessary. In other words, DC had a plan and then screwed it up.
The return of the JSA in "Armageddon: Inferno" wrapped up the limbo arc. Carter and Shiera were given slight modifications to their costumes, as seen above, so that it wouldn't conflict with the Thanagarian look.
Last edited by Mat001; 07-14-2012 at 12:56 PM.
Yeah, along with forcing Tom Baker to take part in The Five Doctors, getting DC not to make the mistake with Hawkworld is on my "things to do when I get a time machine" list.
As for the Hawkman continuity issues, I was never really a fan of the character so I missed all of the inconsistencies involving that comic. However, I did like him enough to be disgusted by how he was depicted on the JLA animated series (as a crazed stalker) but that's another subject.
Last edited by LEADER DESSLOK; 07-15-2012 at 08:27 AM. Reason: tweaks
TUCO (Eli Wallach): "Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive--he understands nothing about Tuco!!"
Originally Posted by tony ingram
No. COIE ended in March 1986. The Silver Age Hawkman got his own title again in August 1986 (after the Crisis) and still had his own title until December 1987. He then joined the JLI for awhile, and also appeared in Morrison's Animal Man series and in stories with Byrne's rebooted Superman. The Hawkworld reboot didn't happen until June 1989, and even then it was originally supposed to be a retelling of the origin of the same Katar Hol we were used to. It didn't become apparent this was actually a new character until the Hawkworld ongoing launched in June 1990. All these years later, it's easy to pretend the Hawkman reboot was Crisis related, but it wasn't. It was totally separate. It happened over three years later, after a post-Crisis Silver Age Hawkman series, and there was no in-story connection to COIE at all. No in-story explanation whatsoever, in fact.
The two book History of the DC Universe (1986) summed things up quite well after COIE.
There were some "tweaks" that needed to be taking care of after the CRISIS that DC as a whole failed to address.
I thought it was a bad decision to change Wonder Woman's timeline. Yes, Katar was fine until another bad decision by DC.
What became "Clutterverse" is when Didio and crew wanted to integrated Wildstorm, Milestone and Red Circle /MLJ heroes into the "New" Earth.
They wanted a mulitverse back, but how long has it been since we've still seen nothing come of it?
Better had they used Infinite Crisis to just undo COIE and return characters back to their previous respected Earths.
That would've given writers more room to be creative like they've been saying over and over.
What we have now is an - Elseworld - DCU....IMHO. Not for me.
Last edited by Hawk_fan; 07-15-2012 at 04:38 PM.
We have seen the Multiverse. We had "Thy Kingdom Come", "Countdown To Final Crisis", "Final Crisis", "Legion Of 3 Worlds" and "Superman Beyond" between 2007 and 2009. And then we have "Earth-2" and "World's Finest" as ongoing series, plus Grant Morrison's story in Action Comics #9 which featured the Multiverse. So it's been used.
Maybe the girlfriend asked, "What's this crappy art anyway? Chicks actually have HIPS, you know!"