Saga Discussion Thread

**Winslow** · 12-29-2012, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Desaad

Hazel represents something that neither side wants -- Unity. She's a symbol of what the two sides of the conflict, working together, can create. That when they put aside their prejudices and their pettiness they can birth something beautiful.

It's precisely because they are prejudiced that they don't want others to start seeing that -- too firmly entrenched in their war, in their history, in their anger, and in the power that comes with a war torn state, I suspect.

Symbols are powerful things. Maybe the most powerful thing. And if they aren't controlled and directed, they can topple empires.

The whole thing doubles as an allegory for "The Industry", Hollywood. You have the corporate interests and the more artistic interest, with Freelancers working for both, or either. They hate each other, they are at war, and neither wants to cooperate with the other. BKV is saying that when you marry the more commercial, populist sensibility of the one with the expressive, artistic sensibility of the other, you get something 'fucking perfect'.

Finally, the story is of course an allegory for parenthood. The conflict is largely built to recreate - and literalize - that feeling that the whole world is out to get you and your child, and to create a set of circumstances in which he can show just how far parents will go to protect their child, how they deal with getting a babysitter, dealing with close minded parents (or parents in law), etc.

http://heshouldreallyknowbetter.blog...ssues-1-7.html

Ah, I see says the blind man. Thank you. I was missing the allegory of "the creation" and the tension between industry and artists.

I was blinded by the literal.

Thanks.

**Sailor Moon** · 12-29-2012, 08:20 AM

Well, it works in a literal sense, too, as I explained. I figured the allegoric part was fairly obvious, I thought you were just looking for internal logic in the story itself.

**Desaad** · 12-29-2012, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Winslow

Ah, I see says the blind man. Thank you. I was missing the allegory of "the creation" and the tension between industry and artists.

I was blinded by the literal.

Thanks.

My pleasure!

I do think the story works in the more literal sense, as the first part of my post addresses. It's the standard dictatorial thing, the same reason that oppressive governments censor and define artwork, that sort of thing.

**Winslow** · 12-29-2012, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sailor Moon

I bolded the issue you're having here: Are we reading about the human race. No. I mean, yeah, it's entirely possible we'll see some kind of hidden thing about why so many people are after them later on, but for now, all we know and need to know is that both races take a taboo and high treason POW on the issue. And the implication from the story seem to be that this kind of union isn't common, perhaps even the first of it's kind. It's like asking "what's on the microfilm, anyway, that seems important" in a Hitchcock film. It's just the macgruffin really, and it's not that huge of importance until the work places it more directly in front of you.

I think for allegory to be effective it needs a connecting point to the reader's experience. I obviously missed the point.

Whether that's weakness in the allegory or the fact that I'm stupid is up for debate. :D

Thanks for the response.

**passer-by** · 12-29-2012, 12:19 PM

To add something to what Desaad said about the prejudices to the ones that seem different but are actually more like us that we'd think - the story with the book of Alana might give us some interesting developments too, considering the way Prince Robot IV treated it as something potentially very damaging for the status quo.

**Shikidum** · 12-30-2012, 08:46 AM

They are buildiing so much lore. I hope we will get an online map of the whole galaxy at the end of the series.

**EuphemismForSex** · 12-31-2012, 01:26 AM

I read issue one of this when it first came out but never put the book on my pull list. I just got caught up to #8 and it was too awesome for words.

**JonQCitizen** · 12-31-2012, 11:05 AM

I have been looking forward to Gwendolyn since issue #3....

**COMIC-NINJAH** · 01-03-2013, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by JonQCitizen

I have been looking forward to Gwendolyn since issue #3....

She is gonna flip the entire book around...
She doesn't seem like a fan of inter-alien breeding...
Also looks like she is going to cause a lot of shit...

**JonQCitizen** · 01-05-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by COMIC-NINJAH

She is gonna flip the entire book around...
She doesn't seem like a fan of inter-alien breeding...
Also looks like she is going to cause a lot of shit...

Agreed!....plus, Gwendolyn is unlike all the other antagonists after Marko, Alana, & Hazel....it's "personal" for her.

**doolbnoom** · 01-05-2013, 10:58 AM

amazing title. although i'm behind in my reading overall (books & comics). but from the moment i saw this- i knew this special. with each issue BKV and FS formulate and expand a new universe for us. as well as having a cast of dazzling characters. now it's CBR's #1 out of 100 titles listed of 2012. wow! i'm a vegetarian- but i must say: 'winner, winner- chicken dinner!'