West Coast Avengers Appreciation

[gforce99]

Sorry if this has been explained before, but has anyone ever confirmed the apparent retcon of Master Pandemonium and his connection to Wanda that happened in WCA?

Do you mean the part where Master Panda had a missing piece of his soul, that turned out to be Billy and Tommy, who he got from Mephisto?

I don't think so, unless something in Children's Crusade changed it.

[Nomads1]

If I'm not mistaken, Billy and Tommy were a part of Mephisto, who was only using Pandy to find his missing pieces for him. They were never a part of MP's soul. Mephisto, as he's known for doing, lied to him.
I miss Master Pandemonium. He was a cool villian. I think milgrom drew him a bit stupidly, with the detachable missing demonn limbs and all, but Byrne managed to make him real scary as a vertible "abode of demons". Someone should bring him back.
(I don't think he's been used since he was last seen in WCA, has he?)

Peace

[gforce99]

Was there only 2 Ultron stories and 2 Grim Reaper stories in WCA? I can't remember.

[marshal99]

Was there only 2 Ultron stories and 2 Grim Reaper stories in WCA? I can't remember.

Should be more than that but can't be sure as well. The only 2 Ultron stories that i can recall off hand is the one where Ultron team-up with the reaper to turned the WCA into some sort of robots and then there's one where Ultron was attacking the WCA compound with nanobots and vision showing up to help.

Reaper , besides the ultron story , was the involved in the beginning of the WCA when he team-up with man-ape , goliath etc. Think Ultron was also involved in that one.

[Rasputin9977]

Should be more than that but can't be sure as well. The only 2 Ultron stories that i can recall off hand is the one where Ultron team-up with the reaper to turned the WCA into some sort of robots and then there's one where Ultron was attacking the WCA compound with nanobots and vision showing up to help.

Reaper , besides the ultron story , was the involved in the beginning of the WCA when he team-up with man-ape , goliath etc. Think Ultron was also involved in that one.

There's also the Ultron story that morphed him into Ultimate Ultron (or something like that) and Wartoy. I don't think there were other Grim Reaper stories. That one Grim Reaper/Ultron that took place in New Years parade was a fun read.

[gforce99]

There's also the Ultron story that morphed him into Ultimate Ultron (or something like that) and Wartoy. I don't think there were other Grim Reaper stories. That one Grim Reaper/Ultron that took place in New Years parade was a fun read.

I'm not sure why, but when you mention Reaper and a New Years Parade, I immediately thought of that classic Avengers story where Reaper and Talon resurrect Simon during a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans.

[Frank]

I actually like Mantis... but I do think he took his Mantis obsession a bit too far at times. When you're at the point where you're dragging the character off into other comic book companies you're writing for, it starts getting a little weird.

I'm of that opinion too, What's with writers and their female characters, Englehart with Mantis, Stern with Monica Rambeault, etc..., it's like they fall in love with them. lol I aquired that Avengers run recently and while I like Mantis when she's a martial art badass, the whole Mantis saga started at some point then ends, then restart for like four or five issues. Quite ridiculous.

[Nomads1]

Was there only 2 Ultron stories and 2 Grim Reaper stories in WCA? I can't remember.

Grim Reaper, yes. Two arcs. The First arc, with the Lethal Legion, and a Roy Thomas / Paul Ryan four issue arc #65 - 68, both which also featured Ultron. Both have recently been reprinted in TPB.
Ultron, apart from the above, also was featured in WCA #7, in the story with the good Ultron (also reprinted in the same TPB with the opening arc), and in a three parter that introduced Alkhema #89-91, still to be reprinted. Ultron also was the Villain in WCA annual #8, which introduced a new character called Raptor, I think, which, as far as I know, was never seen again. He also appeared in Byrne's first issue (and a lot in flashback in that firts arc) but it turned out not to be him, and just a fake. That makes five appearences, making Ultron the most recurring villain of the West Coast Avengers.

Peace

[Nomads1]

Just finished the Along Came a Spider-Woman TPB, and am about to start the Family Ties one (though, maybe, I'll read that after the Trail of YellowJacket TPB, since the stories are more or less connected). GREAT READ! God, I miss those days of fun comics. Dr. Demonicus and the Pacific Overlords were great villains, and they, and Demonica, relly should make a come back and be more explored.

Peace

[albone]

If I'm not mistaken, Billy and Tommy were a part of Mephisto, who was only using Pandy to find his missing pieces for him. They were never a part of MP's soul. Mephisto, as he's known for doing, lied to him.
I miss Master Pandemonium. He was a cool villian. I think milgrom drew him a bit stupidly, with the detachable missing demonn limbs and all, but Byrne managed to make him real scary as a vertible "abode of demons". Someone should bring him back.
(I don't think he's been used since he was last seen in WCA, has he?)

Peace

I think he's been retconned out of existence! Something about the start of Disassembled where Wasp was talking about Wanda and I was like...eh, no Master Pandemonium? Thanks for clearing that up for me!

[kurumais]

with all the avengers titles now you would think WCA return would be a no brainer

[XPac]

with all the avengers titles now you would think WCA return would be a no brainer

I think because of Avengers Academy, the return of West Coast Avengers was somewhat unecessary. The instructors of the Academy were essentially a team of Avengers living on the West Coast in the WCA compound. I think you can think of that as essentially West Coast Avengers.

Though I'm not sure if the book is still going to be around in Marvel Now so who knows.

[gforce99]

I think because of Avengers Academy, the return of West Coast Avengers was somewhat unecessary. The instructors of the Academy were essentially a team of Avengers living on the West Coast in the WCA compound. I think you can think of that as essentially West Coast Avengers.

Though I'm not sure if the book is still going to be around in Marvel Now so who knows.

So with the announcement of cancelling Academy, now where do we get our WCA fix? Any chance New Avengers will be based in LA with Pym, Tigra and some others?

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

I think he's been retconned out of existence! Something about the start of Disassembled where Wasp was talking about Wanda and I was like...eh, no Master Pandemonium? Thanks for clearing that up for me!

Pandemonium's still around. He was definitely in Aaron's Ghost Rider run, and I feel like he showed up in Bunn's Fearless as well.

[Nomads1]

Pandemonium's still around. He was definitely in Aaron's Ghost Rider run, and I feel like he showed up in Bunn's Fearless as well.

I missed those. Not a fan of Aaron nor of GR, but I will get Fearless when it comes out in TPB. Is any reference made to how he survived his "end" in WCA? Or what his current status is?

Peace