Superboy #0 Discussion

[stephens2177]

i am a lil pissed that bleeding cool early today ran a BS story about how this issue retconned the first issue, because Harvest actually wanted his scientists to deliver the poison to SB,so that he would have to fight to live,even though the scientists dont know Harvests goals,to the scientists they were just killing a failed experiment.this is not a retcon,its Harvests reasoning shown for the first time,wouldnt be the first time a employer had plans that they didnt let their employees in on..

this issue also brings gravity back as a actual part of kryptonians lack of spaceexporation,and taken further a part of the reasoning for their powers.so absorbing solar energy AND having incredible gravitional pressures both are factors in kryptonians massive powers.superboy could realistically have no solar based powers,but still be super strong,and durable just from a evolutionary genetic standpoint.

i also read somewhere where someone was confused and thought because kon didnt consciously remember his subroutines Harvest ran under fairchilds vr training that it was a recton too,but i dont think that person understands that Harvest was working on a level different than conscious or subconscious,and that he wouldnt remember anything,but that it would be ingrained into who he was,even when he doesnt know it.btw this might ne what kon saw and unlocked when he was touched by kara.subliminal messages are not consciously ableto be aware of.

Harvest created superboy because he wanted him to have the same lack kf empathy and crazy ass never stop zeal the original clones had in his clone.he didnt say he wanted his clone to have kryptonians massive powers,just the crazy clone defiencies,which i think is interesting,funny,and something important when we factor in that SB is a hybrid clone.

that whos who entry really bothers me,TTK is more than strength,flight,and invulnerability ugh.

[Sacred Knight]

I thought it was alright. I'm actually more interested in his subordinates than I am Harvest himself, but I've been a proponent of sometime that I need a little more on the guy to get invested, but I won't get back into that here. But his purpose in this issue served as more narrator than anything else so I didn't find him to be in the way or anything. And I do like the idea of Harvest having implanted hidden VR protocols during Caitlin's sessions.

Obviously the original Kon did not die, that was painfully obvious with the note that his body was never recovered, so I think that's even more ammunition to the theory that he's H'el. So I'm still sticking with the idea that the El family at this time had something to do with recovering Kon and secretly keeping him imprisoned or something, probably on Kandor as that's a built in way of not only explaining his current survival but also how he's on Earth because Kandor is on Earth.

I am however disappointed that absolutely nothing was mentioned about the 3rd donor, which has me afraid that might have been dropped. I REALLY hope not, as that was the most intriguing aspect of his new origin by far, but it doesn't fare well when it doesn't get a mention in a month specifically dedicated to fleshing out origins to a degree. Crossing my fingers though that its just something to be continued as opposed to being dropped.

[Eivion]

The story of the original Kon and Kryptonian clones was interesting. I don't think Kon is H'el. The hints are there, but H'el is missing Kon's scar. I am curious though on the traitor of the clones. I also dug how Harvest has planned things out with Superboy including Caitlin's own part in his growth. Looking forward to seeing where all of this goes.

[stephens2177]

The kryptonian clones went nuts,but not made to be that way,SB was created with their bloodlust in mind,and to be the ultimate living weapon,which imo makes him way more dangerous,or atleast potentially is.

I wonder if the third donor is gonna be a surprise for Harvest to,and thats why they are waiting to bring it up,so both us,and him can get the shock value.

Hey anybody here think that maybe lex is still the human donor,but that the third donor is a female daemonite that somehow attached itself and is controlling lex? Crazy idea huh?

[robcastor729]

I thought the third donor was only mentioned by the alien he fought?
& Centerhall mentions that multiple groups worked on Superboy.

[DarkKnghtJared]

i am a lil pissed that bleeding cool early today ran a BS story about how this issue retconned the first issue, because Harvest actually wanted his scientists to deliver the poison to SB,so that he would have to fight to live,even though the scientists dont know Harvests goals,to the scientists they were just killing a failed experiment.this is not a retcon,its Harvests reasoning shown for the first time,wouldnt be the first time a employer had plans that they didnt let their employees in on..

this issue also brings gravity back as a actual part of kryptonians lack of spaceexporation,and taken further a part of the reasoning for their powers.so absorbing solar energy AND having incredible gravitional pressures both are factors in kryptonians massive powers.superboy could realistically have no solar based powers,but still be super strong,and durable just from a evolutionary genetic standpoint.

i also read somewhere where someone was confused and thought because kon didnt consciously remember his subroutines Harvest ran under fairchilds vr training that it was a recton too,but i dont think that person understands that Harvest was working on a level different than conscious or subconscious,and that he wouldnt remember anything,but that it would be ingrained into who he was,even when he doesnt know it.btw this might ne what kon saw and unlocked when he was touched by kara.subliminal messages are not consciously ableto be aware of.

Harvest created superboy because he wanted him to have the same lack kf empathy and crazy ass never stop zeal the original clones had in his clone.he didnt say he wanted his clone to have kryptonians massive powers,just the crazy clone defiencies,which i think is interesting,funny,and something important when we factor in that SB is a hybrid clone.

that whos who entry really bothers me,TTK is more than strength,flight,and invulnerability ugh.

There was one possible little retcon I noticed. So here we see that in Krypton's past there was a clone uprising, the leader being "Kon," which is Kryptonian for "abomination." But, when Supergirl sees him for the first time, she calls him "Kon-El," and THAT is Kryptonian for "abomination."

[stephens2177]

There was one possible little retcon I noticed. So here we see that in Krypton's past there was a clone uprising, the leader being "Kon," which is Kryptonian for "abomination." But, when Supergirl sees him for the first time, she calls him "Kon-El," and THAT is Kryptonian for "abomination."

Im thinking she assumed he was kals clone so she added the El to it,because the kon or clone who take the house name of the person they were cloned from.

[Warrior10]

Ok, heres some things i didn't like and did like.

1) Defalco Did not mention anything about a Mother/ 3rd donor. I hope they didn't change their minds about have the 3rd donor

2) Forgot the Narraters name (sorry), but he says that he is like a Master in Martial-Arts through training in the VR programs.
and maybe later on with his powers, which is a big Plus, Yay.

3) The Character says he has like a Super powerful brain like top tiered Characters, so i know that he can be as smart as luthor or other smart aliens, which would be good to see him useing his brains also in fighting like he has a cpl times. But not explored enough yet into.

4) Superboy Was/IS Fully Matured when he broke out of his cloneing tube when he first came out. so i wonder id SB could be more like at least 17 or 18 now in years. Also it was mentioned that SB has no idea how powerful he can be, and that's dangerous. Also it was said that SB will be getting a Major boost in his powers.

5) What irked me was not all of SBs powers were printed on what Superboy is and has. Sure he has TTK. Duh. we knew that since issue #1. He also has shown to have used TK powers without touch, it also wasn't mentioned that SB Has Psionic and Hyper Acceleration powers, and can with TTK touch some1 and go into anothers brains and see their past and present.

But still with those bad things, there were good things I like, like the fact that the Original Kon-El is most likely still alive, and showed a good presentation of how crazy most of the Clones can get with it sounds like 3 different Wars with the Clones, but they had to kill them all because Kryptonians could not stabalize Kryptonian Clones without them going Berserk and killing every Kryptonian the clones could. I highly doubt this issues shows a good chance for SB and Supergirl getting along, because of how the Kryptonians were killed by their own clones, and I don't think Kal will trust SB since he's a clone to.

I also don't like where plans seem to lead SB in a bad direction where this DCNU SB could be a Superboy Prime sometimes. And that wouldn't be good unless the ppl really deserve to get hurt really bad or even killed. That' 1 other thing I wouldn't like, but with SB haveing a Super brain, maybe he can find a way to stop the NOWHERE ppl still around to not be able to click on a Superboy Prime switch Like Lex had with the last Superboy we had.

I can't wait to see just how much more powerful he will get, but i'm betting on SB being able to take out a city like New York, which is huge. Hopefully they will draw his mucles a bit bigger since this SB is Fully Matured and grown.

[Warrior10]

The kryptonian clones went nuts,but not made to be that way,SB was created with their bloodlust in mind,and to be the ultimate living weapon,which imo makes him way more dangerous,or atleast potentially is.

I wonder if the third donor is gonna be a surprise for Harvest to,and thats why they are waiting to bring it up,so both us,and him can get the shock value.

Hey anybody here think that maybe lex is still the human donor,but that the third donor is a female daemonite that somehow attached itself and is controlling lex? Crazy idea huh?

That's the thing, if there is a 3rd donor, then why wasn't their a dark female figure in the comic that readers wouldn't be able to see, or a 3rd donor should've been in this comic. So I don't know if Defalco tossed that female donor or what.

I do agree from the comic that even SB doesn't know how powerful he is yet. But I think he'll be able to to go Nuclear if he lost control, and be very dangerous to any Kryptonian he what some of us saw the issues. He just hasn't flipped his lid by accident yet. But what worries me the most is that guy that has been arounf the past and future may have a switch on SB for hin to go Superboy Prime. And I wouldn't like that at all.

[Zoch]

I really this enjoyed issue it gave you a lot importantly background info on Krypton (which vitally if a super fan) and some importantly info into creation of Kon just wish went into more details like his dna donors and Im bit disappointed didn't mention third donor but one thing really did like was they how planted into his sub conscious mind rigorous combat training which out three Supers could mean most well trained I know different styles fighting which is one of thing I like about his new origin overall enjoyed this issue.

[Sacred Knight]

1) Defalco Did not mention anything about a Mother/ 3rd donor. I hope they didn't change their minds about have the 3rd donor

Me neither. I haven't been as hard on Defalco as other fans have been, but if he has dropped this, I think he made a terrible mistake. I hope he's just waiting.

[Warrior10]

Me neither. I haven't been as hard on Defalco as other fans have been, but if he has dropped this, I think he made a terrible mistake. I hope he's just waiting.

I hope so to, becase a 3rd donor would be worth more for buying the comic to. I liked the Comic, but as I said in my earlier Post, I almost wonder if Defalco dropped that, or is waiting for it to be known in issue #15, or even later on.

[sandmountainslim]

I liked this issue a lot. The Olden Krypton tale was interesting to me.