True to an extent but Rachel has never wielded the full PF akin to Jean according to what has been presented in comics she generally operates on a lower level, I've never said she wasn't a child of the PF thanks in no small part to Jean who as far Endsong is concerned is its heart, Rachel's connection to the Force is also alot less strong than Jean's is hence her losing the echo and feeling like she never had it, all I'm saying is in regards to the PF and Jean, Rachel is brought up alot as a better host which she was however the circumstances surrounding her hosting the PF opposed to Jean's is different and that is something that is never mentioned. Also I should point out being a "Phoenix" ,which Quetin Quire is also, is alot different than being its physical embodiment ala White Phoenix of the Crown.
Spider Man is Marvel's Greatest Superhero or are you going to argue with the guys who run Marvel and make the decision. Spidey has stopped muggings and saved the universe from Thanos. He has done it all. But despite everything he has been through he refuses to kill or go to far. He saved Doctor Octopus even though he had just tried to destroy the world. Hawkeye and Spider Woman couldn't understand why he did it.
Iron Fist hasn't made a deal because he has never been in that position. Don't say someone wouldn't do something until they have walked in anothers shoes. Iron Fist lives a very different kind of life and he hasn't had to make sacrifices like Spidey has. That is why Spidey is Marvel's greatest Superhero.
Both have personal reasons to support the Phoenix Five´s rule. Not-Obama is the only head of state there that hasn´t a personal bond with the F5, so I think he should be more representative.
lol, T'Challa doesn't support the P5 because of his marriage with Ororo, they were beating the shit out of each other until last week.
Danny doesn't make mistakes because he trained his entire life (part of, I forgot the part where his parents were killed right in front of him) to accept and deal with the great power that he earned through his own skill and bravery. He atoned for finding out that his fortune was made of the exploitation of K'un-Lun by giving away his money as fast as he can and putting and honest and trustworthy man in charge of his corporation.
He didn't try to hide behind a literal deal with the devil himself in order to, and I can't emphasize this enough, avoid the consequences of the choices he made.
Matt Murdock would be a better instructor to Hope: He spent years dealing with the fallout of his errors without trying to enter into a Faustian deal to worm out of it.
So, again: Spider-Man is just Marvel's biggest money maker.
The fact is Rachel was a better host than Jean. Rachel even with whatever power you wanted to give her had at a time the power to destroy the universe. She didn't. Even when she was being manipulated by the Beyonder to do so! She held onto a vast cosmic power for years without going dark.
IN my opinion Spider Man is a better teacher you know why. Because most super heroes were based off of him. They used Spider Man's story to create what we consider the modern super hero. His story is the original story of Great Power and Great Responsiblity.
And as I said before this is a comic book. And what makes you think he wouldn't make the same call in Spidey's postition. Spider Man is only human and he made a mistake but he has saved countless lives and suffered throughout his life. He deserves some slack. Lets just drop the subject of who is the best superhero and get back to Hope and if Cyclops prepared her.
It was inexcuseable for Scott not to discuss the Phoenix with Hope. Trying to ignore a problem never helps and in this case, Scott was too much of a coward to even broach the subject with Hope. Even when she asked him too.
The Avengers and X-men should have teamed, have sent Hope aboard a spaceship to test if it really was trying to reach her, which also would have allowed her to merge with the Phoenix in another galaxy, just in case everything went south (Xavier should go with them, so he could help Hope control the Phoenix, like he did for Jean).
They should also have sent Rachel and Feron with the team that was trying to intercept the Phoenix. Rachel could communicate with the Phoenix and ask it "Hi old pal; what are you up to? Why are you messing those planets".
They could also chain Cyclops and offer him as a sacrifice to the Phoenix. The Phoenix always wanted Cyclops´ wang; they should tell it "if you stop destroying planets, you can take him away with you. Forever. But you must promise you won´t come back after restoring mutants".
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I understand why Cyclops did it, he wasn't trying to put any extra pressure on her. I mean, even he didn't exactly know what the Phoenix would do to save mutantkind, so what was he supposed to tell her? "Look, there's a chance you'll kill a million people, but don't worry, just keep training"? That'll help her! She couldn't afford to think about Jean Grey's failures, she had to keep her mind focused. There was a chance she'd convince herself she wasn't good enough if she knew everything that was at stake, which is kind of what has happened. Before she knew about the Phoenix, she had no doubts at all, she wanted to come back to the present and told Scott to let her do her own thing, and look what's she's thinking now.
I think the error was to not teach her Askani as soon as Shaw opened that can of worms, although I don't now how much it could've helped at that point. It was too late already.
He could've have. Hope's not just a host like Jean, she needs to be with her Lights.(Xavier should go with them, so he could help Hope control the Phoenix, like he did for Jean).
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