Cyclops' Preparation for Hope: Where Was It?

[Drax1981]

Cyclops is saving lives. But he is doing it without the governments consent.

No.

He has Black Panther's approval.
Namor's on board as well.

Of the heads of state we have seen react, 66% approve of what Scott is doing.

[celestialbodies]

Rachel was the Phoenix. When Galactus tried to separate the Phoenix from Rachel he couldn't. "That child is Phoenix, living embodiment etc". And if we are going on what's happened before, then no one including Jean held the full power as Necrom had a portion of the Phoenix himself. It wasn't until the Rachel defeated Necrom, that the Phoenix was reunited with it's lost fragment.

True to an extent but Rachel has never wielded the full PF akin to Jean according to what has been presented in comics she generally operates on a lower level, I've never said she wasn't a child of the PF thanks in no small part to Jean who as far Endsong is concerned is its heart, Rachel's connection to the Force is also alot less strong than Jean's is hence her losing the echo and feeling like she never had it, all I'm saying is in regards to the PF and Jean, Rachel is brought up alot as a better host which she was however the circumstances surrounding her hosting the PF opposed to Jean's is different and that is something that is never mentioned. Also I should point out being a "Phoenix" ,which Quetin Quire is also, is alot different than being its physical embodiment ala White Phoenix of the Crown.

[godzilla2099]

No.

He has Black Panther's approval.
Namor's on board as well.

Of the heads of state we have seen react, 66% approve of what Scott is doing.

66%? Where did you get that information?

[saw2097]

What about Iron Fist?

He trained his entire life to face an impossibly powerful being and gain power.
He uses his money to a street level super-team to help fight crime in his city. On the side, he also builds dojos that feed, teach and even spiritually care for inner city children.
He hasn't made deals with demonic entities to erase his mistakes and keep separate the woman who raised him from the love of her life.

Spider-Man isn't Marvel's greatest hero. He's just their most bankable one.

You are all juding a character on two mistakes. Spider Man recognizes his mistakes and atones for them. Besides Iron Fist hasn't lived Spidey's life. The whole point of Spidey teaching her is so that she doesn't make his mistakes. Hank Pym actually said Spidey is a ideal teacher for Avengers Academy because he has made every mistake a hero can make. But you are all forgetting that Iron Fist hasn't sacrificed his dreams for the world.

Spider Man is Marvel's Greatest Superhero or are you going to argue with the guys who run Marvel and make the decision. Spidey has stopped muggings and saved the universe from Thanos. He has done it all. But despite everything he has been through he refuses to kill or go to far. He saved Doctor Octopus even though he had just tried to destroy the world. Hawkeye and Spider Woman couldn't understand why he did it.

Iron Fist hasn't made a deal because he has never been in that position. Don't say someone wouldn't do something until they have walked in anothers shoes. Iron Fist lives a very different kind of life and he hasn't had to make sacrifices like Spidey has. That is why Spidey is Marvel's greatest Superhero.

[murdershewrote]

66%? Where did you get that information?

Mathematics. We've seen the reactions of 3 heads of states. The POTUS, BP, and Namor. That means 2/3s of the heads of states that we have seen approve of the P5. Which 2/3s is rounded 66%.

[godzilla2099]

Mathematics. We've seen the reactions of 3 heads of states. The POTUS, BP, and Namor. That means 2/3s of the heads of states that we have seen approve of the P5. Which 2/3s is rounded 66%.

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[Habis]

Mathematics. We've seen the reactions of 3 heads of states. The POTUS, BP, and Namor. That means 2/3s of the heads of states that we have seen approve of the P5. Which 2/3s is rounded 66%.

Black Panther is married to Ororo, who works for the Five. Namor is one of the Five.

Both have personal reasons to support the Phoenix Five´s rule. Not-Obama is the only head of state there that hasn´t a personal bond with the F5, so I think he should be more representative.

[Sanji]

lol, T'Challa doesn't support the P5 because of his marriage with Ororo, they were beating the shit out of each other until last week.

[murdershewrote]

Black Panther is married to Ororo, who works for the Five. Namor is one of the Five.

Both have personal reasons to support the Phoenix Five´s rule. Not-Obama is the only head of state there that hasn´t a personal bond with the F5, so I think he should be more representative.

Sorry, forgot about Ororo. So that's technically 3/4 world leaders that are down with the P5 - 75%.

[Drax1981]

You are all juding a character on two mistakes. Spider Man recognizes his mistakes and atones for them. Besides Iron Fist hasn't lived Spidey's life. The whole point of Spidey teaching her is so that she doesn't make his mistakes. Hank Pym actually said Spidey is a ideal teacher for Avengers Academy because he has made every mistake a hero can make. But you are all forgetting that Iron Fist hasn't sacrificed his dreams for the world.

Spider Man is Marvel's Greatest Superhero or are you going to argue with the guys who run Marvel and make the decision. Spidey has stopped muggings and saved the universe from Thanos. He has done it all. But despite everything he has been through he refuses to kill or go to far. He saved Doctor Octopus even though he had just tried to destroy the world. Hawkeye and Spider Woman couldn't understand why he did it.

Iron Fist hasn't made a deal because he has never been in that position. Don't say someone wouldn't do something until they have walked in anothers shoes. Iron Fist lives a very different kind of life and he hasn't had to make sacrifices like Spidey has. That is why Spidey is Marvel's greatest Superhero.

You've got to be kidding me with this.
Danny doesn't make mistakes because he trained his entire life (part of, I forgot the part where his parents were killed right in front of him) to accept and deal with the great power that he earned through his own skill and bravery. He atoned for finding out that his fortune was made of the exploitation of K'un-Lun by giving away his money as fast as he can and putting and honest and trustworthy man in charge of his corporation.
He didn't try to hide behind a literal deal with the devil himself in order to, and I can't emphasize this enough, avoid the consequences of the choices he made.
Matt Murdock would be a better instructor to Hope: He spent years dealing with the fallout of his errors without trying to enter into a Faustian deal to worm out of it.

So, again: Spider-Man is just Marvel's biggest money maker.

[Daithi]

True to an extent but Rachel has never wielded the full PF akin to Jean according to what has been presented in comics she generally operates on a lower level, I've never said she wasn't a child of the PF thanks in no small part to Jean who as far Endsong is concerned is its heart, Rachel's connection to the Force is also alot less strong than Jean's is hence her losing the echo and feeling like she never had it, all I'm saying is in regards to the PF and Jean, Rachel is brought up alot as a better host which she was however the circumstances surrounding her hosting the PF opposed to Jean's is different and that is something that is never mentioned. Also I should point out being a "Phoenix" ,which Quetin Quire is also, is alot different than being its physical embodiment ala White Phoenix of the Crown.

Leaving aside the echo which is a different thing...Rachel during most of her tenure was the Phoenix. Yes she got it because she's Jean's daughter that's it. To every cosmic power out there Rachel was the Phoenix just a younger one than Jean. Again when Galactus tried to seperate Rachel from the Phoenix, he couldn't. Stars started to die. That's what was presented in the comics.

The fact is Rachel was a better host than Jean. Rachel even with whatever power you wanted to give her had at a time the power to destroy the universe. She didn't. Even when she was being manipulated by the Beyonder to do so! She held onto a vast cosmic power for years without going dark.

[saw2097]

You've got to be kidding me with this.
Danny doesn't make mistakes because he trained his entire life (part of, I forgot the part where his parents were killed right in front of him) to accept and deal with the great power that he earned through his own skill and bravery. He atoned for finding out that his fortune was made of the exploitation of K'un-Lun by giving away his money as fast as he can and putting and honest and trustworthy man in charge of his corporation.
He didn't try to hide behind a literal deal with the devil himself in order to, and I can't emphasize this enough, avoid the consequences of the choices he made.
Matt Murdock would be a better instructor to Hope: He spent years dealing with the fallout of his errors without trying to enter into a Faustian deal to worm out of it.

So, again: Spider-Man is just Marvel's biggest money maker.

Wow you really hate Spider Man. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But guess what that isn't your call Marvel wants Spidey to be Hope's teacher and that is how its going to be. But just remember that everyone else is also entitled to their opinion. A great deal of people think Spider Man is Marvel's greatest super hero and a lot of people think that their favorite character is the best superhero.

IN my opinion Spider Man is a better teacher you know why. Because most super heroes were based off of him. They used Spider Man's story to create what we consider the modern super hero. His story is the original story of Great Power and Great Responsiblity.

And as I said before this is a comic book. And what makes you think he wouldn't make the same call in Spidey's postition. Spider Man is only human and he made a mistake but he has saved countless lives and suffered throughout his life. He deserves some slack. Lets just drop the subject of who is the best superhero and get back to Hope and if Cyclops prepared her.

[Darth Pipes]

It was inexcuseable for Scott not to discuss the Phoenix with Hope. Trying to ignore a problem never helps and in this case, Scott was too much of a coward to even broach the subject with Hope. Even when she asked him too.

[Habis]

The Avengers and X-men should have teamed, have sent Hope aboard a spaceship to test if it really was trying to reach her, which also would have allowed her to merge with the Phoenix in another galaxy, just in case everything went south (Xavier should go with them, so he could help Hope control the Phoenix, like he did for Jean).

They should also have sent Rachel and Feron with the team that was trying to intercept the Phoenix. Rachel could communicate with the Phoenix and ask it "Hi old pal; what are you up to? Why are you messing those planets".

They could also chain Cyclops and offer him as a sacrifice to the Phoenix. The Phoenix always wanted Cyclops´ wang; they should tell it "if you stop destroying planets, you can take him away with you. Forever. But you must promise you won´t come back after restoring mutants".

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[Sanji]

I understand why Cyclops did it, he wasn't trying to put any extra pressure on her. I mean, even he didn't exactly know what the Phoenix would do to save mutantkind, so what was he supposed to tell her? "Look, there's a chance you'll kill a million people, but don't worry, just keep training"? That'll help her! She couldn't afford to think about Jean Grey's failures, she had to keep her mind focused. There was a chance she'd convince herself she wasn't good enough if she knew everything that was at stake, which is kind of what has happened. Before she knew about the Phoenix, she had no doubts at all, she wanted to come back to the present and told Scott to let her do her own thing, and look what's she's thinking now.

I think the error was to not teach her Askani as soon as Shaw opened that can of worms, although I don't now how much it could've helped at that point. It was too late already.

(Xavier should go with them, so he could help Hope control the Phoenix, like he did for Jean).

He could've have. Hope's not just a host like Jean, she needs to be with her Lights.