New Avengers #27 *Spoilers*

**XPac** · 06-20-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Emissary of Justice

The inclusion of Spider-Man didn't come out of nowhere for me. I thought it was a great nod to X-Sanction when Cable notes that Spider-Man would be regarded as the greatest superhero of all-time.

Considering that Spider-Man is and has been the companys top character for decades, I think it's frankly about time they started allowing him to shine a BIT more.

**Moriarty** · 06-20-2012, 01:23 PM

i was also wondering when this issue takes place. though i'd just forgot an issue somewhere. i actually enjoyed this issue. Spidey telling Hope about Uncle Ben was a nice moment. i hope we get more of Spidey and Hope next issue.

**Prof. Warren** · 06-20-2012, 01:28 PM

I'm not sure exactly where this issue falls in the scheme of AvX but that didn't prevent me from enjoying it anyhow. Deodato's art is, as usual, gorgeous and I liked the involvement of Spider-Man.

**Zen-aku** · 06-20-2012, 01:29 PM

I loved this fucking issue, The stuff with Kun'lun was Great. And Having Spider-man Sit down with hope was brilliant, All he life She has been trained to be A Solider or a Messiah, and none of that has ever given Her any Sort of Answers, So having Spider-man Train her to be a Hero as her Turning point is Awesome

**Fourze** · 06-20-2012, 01:46 PM

I liked this too. Since Spidey have a relevant role on AvX 9, I wish some of that have a reflect in Hope by that volume.

**Shadowkurt** · 06-20-2012, 01:54 PM

In today's AvX #6, Lei Kung the Thunderer opens the Book of the Fallen and reads the story of Fongji, then decides they've got to get Hope. The rest of the issue is mostly about the Avengers doing precisely that. So, the whole arc New Avengers #25-27 takes place after AvX #6 (or maybe #7, depending on what's in there). With that out of the way, I quite liked the story. Fongji is obviously a predecessor of Hope, someone who took the Phoenix Force and managed to control it, at least for as long as it took. The event is probably building towards Hope retaking the Force from the Phoenix Five, and this story is an important step on her way to get there.

Spider-Man being her trainer is indeed "as ridiculous as it sounds", and everyone on panel spells it out - Hope and Spider-Man most prominently. But I think again that it works, precisely because he doesn't have anything to train her with, except his hard-learned way of dealing with sudden great power. And Hope is bright enough to realize that's what is needed now.

**Prince Of Orphans** · 06-20-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Shadowkurt

Spider-Man being her trainer is indeed "as ridiculous as it sounds", and everyone on panel spells it out - Hope and Spider-Man most prominently. But I think again that it works, precisely because he doesn't have anything to train her with, except his hard-learned way of dealing with sudden great power. And Hope is bright enough to realize that's what is needed now.

Personally, and this is probably 70% because I'm an Iron Fist fan over a Spider-man fan, but I felt it was a lost opportunity to have Iron Fist do something important in New Avengers for once. I feel as if there is nothing in Spidey's responsibility philosophy that couldn't be taught by Danny and not sound like a retread of an old storyline imo. I'm not trying to slight Spidey fans by saying that, it's just how i feel. But by the looks of it, that's just me, so I'll stop ranting lol.

**Wellman** · 06-20-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by XPac

Considering that Spider-Man is and has been the companys top character for decades, I think it's frankly about time they started allowing him to shine a BIT more.

That is the thing, they can't have Spidey shine too much because it clashes with the status quo of him being the dogged nice guy and unappreciated underdog. It is one of the reasons they did OMD, can't have him be an underdog living with his supermodel wife in Avengers tower.

**mumbletaker** · 06-20-2012, 02:07 PM

I've enjoyed this story more than the "first act" of aVx. It's a minor annoyance trying to figure out when this happens during the crossover but it's not a big deal to me. The adventures of the space team is way more confusing...

**Zen-aku** · 06-20-2012, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by mumbletaker

I've enjoyed this story more than the "first act" of aVx. It's a minor annoyance trying to figure out when this happens during the crossover but it's not a big deal to me. The adventures of the space team is way more confusing...

its not that hard to follow.

SA happens then Avengers happens.

**Fourze** · 06-20-2012, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Wellman

That is the thing, they can't have Spidey shine too much because it clashes with the status quo of him being the dogged nice guy and unappreciated underdog. It is one of the reasons they did OMD, can't have him be an underdog living with his supermodel wife in Avengers tower.

Spidey's 50th anniversary is this year. It's just expected he have more shining this year.

**L-Dizzy** · 06-20-2012, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Starfish

I think the spider was merely meant to symbolize Spider-Man.

Heh, back when Generation Hope was still going on and Hope used to control the Lights, I remember saying that she could really use taking some lessons from Spidey and his "with great power..." creed. It's good to see her doing exactly that now.

What issue of Generation Hope was that in?

**Stopu** · 06-20-2012, 03:21 PM

In some parts the dialog was bad, but I laughed when the master said he wishes Hope was mute like Fongi.

Since Cable said that Spiderman is awesome or whatever, I think I'm fine with this direction.

**stewart48** · 06-20-2012, 03:28 PM

Did the people at the beginning of this forum actually read this book? The impression I'm getting from you guys is you think spider-man is going to be an actual trainer, because the book makes it pretty clear spidey isn't training her in the traditional sense people were expecting, or to give her a special technique for controlling the phoenix.

I think its clear Spidey reflecting on his mistakes with hope is the focus of the training. Spidey's story of Power and Responsibility is part of the holy trinity of comic origin stories and hope clearly was afraid of the power and ran away from the responsibility.

This is the typical Kung Fu trope of using small relatable stories to teach a lessons important to a character playing on a much bigger stage.

**stewart48** · 06-20-2012, 03:29 PM

Also I think the whole Greatest Hero thing was a reference to things in Spidey's own books.

Marvel also in the past year has plastered world's greatest superhero on the cover of Spider-Man as well