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    Yes, I liked this issue, so there :p

    I've been on the fence as there are things I still don't like about what Azz has done with the origin/Amazons, but as a stand-alone issue? It was well done. Diana was shown as being strong, resilient and loving - everything I've been missing about the character who, until now, has been (imo) absent from the book.

    It's really good to see Diana back again.

    As to the question Slvn had about how she 'can't lose,' I took that as meaning that her goal wasn't to 'win' the fight but to show Hell the true meaning of love and trust. So long as she was there and he was 'consuming' her, she was demonstrating how love without trust was meaningless. He could not force her to marry him even if he could 'force' her to love him (which was never necessary in the first place).

    At least that's how I read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaelforce View Post
    Yes, I liked this issue, so there :p
    Yay!

    As to the question Slvn had about how she 'can't lose,' I took that as meaning that her goal wasn't to 'win' the fight but to show Hell the true meaning of love and trust. So long as she was there and he was 'consuming' her, she was demonstrating how love without trust was meaningless. He could not force her to marry him even if he could 'force' her to love him (which was never necessary in the first place).

    At least that's how I read it.
    I like that. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaelforce View Post
    I've been on the fence as there are things I still don't like about what Azz has done with the origin/Amazons, but as a stand-alone issue? It was well done. Diana was shown as being strong, resilient and loving - everything I've been missing about the character who, until now, has been (imo) absent from the book.
    Looked to be a fairly decent issue, with Diana showing some character again. Being rescued by Strife was surprising. It seems that Hephaestus may in fact be a sympathetic character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MelDyer View Post
    Lennox is so much more fun, than Cassie has been in the last 3-4 years. Still don't want to see him become a regular, but do look forward to him doing the big brother thing, once in a while. Wonder Gargoyle? Mr. Gargoyle? Mr. Wonder? Codename, please. Time for the codename.

    Double 'W' belt buckle is in the mail.
    Why not just Lennox? The moment he becomes Wonder something, he'll lose all his charm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slvn View Post
    Not sure about this one, but Heph and Eros may not have previously been aware of Lennox's rockiness, which may be something Lennox feels awkward about for some not-yet- disclosed reason, probably having to do with his ancestry on his mother's side.
    Was this not the issue where we were going to discover the person who was NOT to be trusted? Did any betrayal happen here? I didn't see it!

    Of course, the question remains: What will they discover when they get back from Hell? I think this pretty much leaves everyone out except for HERMES to be the traitor! I have the feeling that Zola is not going to be ALL ok and he's holding her captive for some reason when finding out that WW escaped from Hell. Can't think of anything else!

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    Solicits are lies. WW #09 didn't have "Apollo convincing Ares" from nothing.

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    That was satisfying. I haven't felt this good about this run since issue 4. For the first time I actually liked Lennox, and WONDER Woman finally made an appearance. Hell, I was even impressed by the art. Color me surprised. Good work Azzarello. I cant remember the last time I completely read a comic twice in one sitting. In fact, I feel like reading it a third time, and I think I will.

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    I thought this issue was good but two things irked me.

    One...did Wonder Woman say she won't be bound to anyone because she just then realized that was going to happen or did she just use it as an excuse? Seems silly she's using semantics as a reason.

    Two: Nobody else thought it was cheesy when she said, "you have to love yourself first." I mean...I get it, but it's very Saturday morning cartoon fair. Meh, I reviewed it at the link in my signature if anyone is interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_Olivera View Post
    Was this not the issue where we were going to discover the person who was NOT to be trusted? Did any betrayal happen here? I didn't see it!
    Perhaps it was meant the other way around regarding Strife, who Diana easily could have thought was just there to rub it in her face and be generally unpleasant to actually be around.

    As for Lennox's comment after being bitten, I suppose is a common kind of British slang that can in most cases be replaced with "Ok" or something similar. Possibly he is only saying something because he feels uncomfortable getting stared at after head-butting the dog woman and trying to change the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosocialize100 View Post
    One...did Wonder Woman say she won't be bound to anyone because she just then realized that was going to happen or did she just use it as an excuse? Seems silly she's using semantics as a reason.
    She would have married Hades if he trusted her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don-Jack View Post
    She would have married Hades if he trusted her.
    I guess Wonder Woman never lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_Olivera View Post
    Was this not the issue where we were going to discover the person who was NOT to be trusted? Did any betrayal happen here? I didn't see it!

    Of course, the question remains: What will they discover when they get back from Hell? I think this pretty much leaves everyone out except for HERMES to be the traitor! I have the feeling that Zola is not going to be ALL ok and he's holding her captive for some reason when finding out that WW escaped from Hell. Can't think of anything else!
    Yeah, I was waiting for this too, they must have decided to not go the cliffhanger route though and save it for next month. I think its pretty clear that its going to be Hermes though, as he's conveniently been the one left alone with Zola.

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    Overall, a good, solid, single issue. One of the best of the run. Though with a side of underwhelmed.

    The Good
    - The ending. Didn't see that coming. Very nice turn-about. "... it's true."

    - Why the guns didn't work. I agree with Nosocialize above, it is a bit sappy Saturday Special, but an interesting enough twist that I'm game for it.

    - The art. Especially the big blood monster.

    - Strife helping. Nice twist. Sort of (see below).

    - Heph's plan. Would have prefered some thought to actually come from Diana, and I can't buy into the idea that Heph had it all planned (he was the tech guy, not the god of strategy). Still, I can buy that he would know Hades would desire the guns and that the guns wouldn't work for Hades, and since they don't work, Hades would likely get frustrated by them.


    The... Not So Good
    - Papa Bear of Goodness version of Heph. Normally, I could be onboard for this. But if Azzarello is going to insist on the worst myths as the foundation for Diana's mom and sisters, as well as only negative portrayals of Hera (and next to no portrayals for most of the goddesses, so far), then I call B.S. Heph was more than "disappointed" in his family - he flat out wanted vengance on his mother. This is a white-washing, sugar-coated, kiddie version of a cuddly papa bear.

    - The wedding escape feels clunky contrived. As I said before, Diana is fine going along with being manipulated into love and marriage, but just don't ask for a prenup. proof? Feels... off. Awkward. I like the idea of a wedding escape, but the execution* was clunky (*pun intended ).

    - Diana's escape on the horse. Interesting visual that doesn't make sense to me. The souls attenting the wedding try to stop her, even creating a barrier. The souls making the building just watch? And Hades can't control the horse? Affinity with dead animals now or what?

    - If Diana is now so big on trust, does that make the lasso of truth rather pointless? I mean, if she is so offended by using it as proof, will we never use it to get the truth? Now just a glowy whip/rope (that she rarely uses anyway)?

    - Some of the dialogue. Why is Diana assuming they all came when only three of them are standing there? I also don't get why she's so institant on them letting her fight alone, when she hasn't been fighting alone for quite some time now.

    - Strife helping. Maybe I'm just not getting why Strife chose to help out her. Would have preferred her say something like, "If you're stuck down here, then I can't go clubbing with my baby sister." She's more interesting as a mischievious antagonist (and it's kind of her job).

    Also, Hermes as traitor seems kind of dull, as it's been hinted at too strongly, imo. Hopefully there will be some interesting twist.

    eta: While this issue itself has some forward movement, I think it highlights that the story as a whole is still dragging. Would have been a stronger story, and more value on the dollar, if it were 6-8 issues rather than 12. Too much wasted panel time. imo.
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    Please, what means "My aim...? It's true."?
    I'm not american, nor english speaking country. I searched on google and all that came was Elvis Costello's Song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don-Jack View Post
    Please, what means "My aim...? It's true."?
    I'm not american, nor english speaking country. I searched on google and all that came was Elvis Costello's Song.
    'True', in this context, means 'accurate' or 'precise'.
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