Avenging Spider-Man #8 Discussion Thread *Spoilers*

**David Walton** · 06-20-2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Venomous Mask

The two minutes that saved the world.

LOL! "Doom commands you to think of baseball..."

**Xenon** · 06-20-2012, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rob London

Heh. I don't know why an editor's note directing us to a random-ass Web of Spider-Man backissue made me smile so much, but it did.

Still holding out hope for Sable's unlikely survival. Loved Spider-Man's icy burn on Ock.

That call back to Web 72 was the best part. I actually remembered the story they were talking about. =p

**chariset** · 06-20-2012, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Xenon

And Doctor Strange is somehow a weaker magician than Doctor Doom now? Sorcerer what? It's not even a nerd "X could never beat Y" situation. It's just obviously a transparent "X must win for our plot point to make any sense" situation, every step of the way.

And you know, even if I take away the dumb plot, the bad characterization, and the lousy action, I still find it to be a bad book, because it somehow manages to do the same thing that every other issue of Avenging Spider-Man does, only worse, by making Spider-man completely ineffectual. EVERY hero in this story is ineffectual. The only one that does anything of note is Dr. Strange, who manages to run away better than the rest (though that's quickly rendered moot since Doom has magnetic teleport powers now). I thought for one moment that the book was going to get good right in the middle when Spider-Man gave the snide "insignificant" line as he swung off to get the husband, but nothing of real significant occurs there. he goes and gets the husband, and then they carry on their marry way. Strange could have done that himself with no consequence to the plot. And the final plot point, the moment we're all supposed to be impressed by, is Sable lying on the ground for a few seconds.

I'm not sure I would have put it so bitterly, but I have to agree. Doom and Strange have a history in magic which is more or less ignored in this story. And the writing on Doom was sloppy. He flicks everyone away with a finger... until he doesn't... but then he does.... and then he loses to a woman who was doing absolutely nothing. And then he gives up and walks away from a team he was slaughtering moments before, saying he doesn't want Reed Richards to get involved. And swears vengeance in the most cartoony of fashions? "I'll get you.. later.. because I can't be bothered to do it right now!" Hrm. Must have been a defective Doombot.

**C_W** · 06-20-2012, 05:38 PM

I want Sable back now, but who knows when or if she'll show up.

**Darthfury78** · 06-20-2012, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by C_W

I want Sable back now, but who knows when or if she'll show up.

Sable is dead for now. Besides, The Black Widow could fill in for that role towards being Spidey's partner.

**Pacote** · 06-20-2012, 06:20 PM

I didn't like this issue too
I hope they do not mess up the next issue too

I have high hopes for a Ms Marvel/Spider relationship

**C_W** · 06-20-2012, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Darthfury78

Sable is dead for now. Besides, The Black Widow could fill in for that role towards being Spidey's partner.

I consider Black Widow to be Cap or Winter Soldiers partner. I want Sable......or Ms.Marvel to a lesser extent. Luckily her series begins next month and she teams with Spidey in next months Avenging.

**Darthfury78** · 06-20-2012, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by C_W

I consider Black Widow to be Cap or Winter Soldiers partner. I want Sable......or Ms.Marvel to a lesser extent. Luckily her series begins next month and she teams with Spidey in next months Avenging.

Yeah. But I like the potential chemistry of a mutual partnership between The Black Widow and Spider-Man. I think that The Black Cat is now a Daredevil partner. So it's a fair exchange to have the Black Widow and Spider-Man working together more often. As for Ms. Marvel, Carol won't always be there to help Spidey. And I feel that The Black Widow is actually a big fan of Spider-Man more than she lets on. This is why I feel that besides Ms. Marvel and Silver Sable/Black Cat, Spider-Man should have alternate heroines as his crime fighting partners like:

She-Hulk
Psylocke
Spider-Woman
Black Widow

This makes things interesting because it insures that no one heroine will stand out as a potential love interest for Spider-Man without upsetting the balance.

**C_W** · 06-20-2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Darthfury78

Yeah. But I like the potential chemistry of a mutual partnership between The Black Widow and Spider-Man. I think that The Black Cat is now a Daredevil partner. So it's a fair exchange to have the Black Widow and Spider-Man working together more often. As for Ms. Marvel, Carol won't always be there. And I feel that The Black Widow is actually a big fan of Spider-Man more than she lets on.

Ugh, don't remind me of Black Cat and Daredevil. Not a fan of it.

**Darthfury78** · 06-20-2012, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by C_W

Ugh, don't remind me of Black Cat and Daredevil. Not a fan of it.

Which is why I stressed the idea of Spidey having a few heroines(who are interested in Spider-Man/Peter Parker) become his alternate crime fighting partners and close confidant to The Black Cat. A little diversity among the heroines wouldn't hurt because it could make some of the team-up stories interesting. And I sometimes feel that The Black Widow should have been Spider-Man's first heroine crime fighting partner after their first encounter in ASM #86.

**Spidey_Legend** · 06-20-2012, 07:30 PM

I will wait until I read the issue to pass judgement.

**stillanerd** · 06-20-2012, 09:20 PM

Yeah, when the entire story hinges on "you must have sex to save the world," it's bound to be ridiculous. Which this was. Also, I too found it pretty weak that Spidey came to the realization that Silver Sable was "special" because "she didn't really fight for money, she fought for love" based on the fact that she refused to back down from Doctor Doom to prevent him from "crashing the wedding" as it were. Oh, and by the way, Spidey, when you say she put her life on the line with no weapons, you need to clean the lenses of your mask because it sure looked like she was pointing and shooting a gun at Doom the whole time. And speaking of Doom, yeah I think he's pretty badass myself, but powerful enough to completely outclass the "Sorcerer Supreme?" I don't think so.

**stillanerd** · 06-20-2012, 10:59 PM

Wait a minute, I just realized. The princess--a seventh child of a seventh child--was able to get married and consummate it in just seven minutes?

**John Ossie** · 06-21-2012, 03:21 AM

I thought it was an ''ok'' issue nothing special but ok nonetheless. Favourite part was the scene where Spidey burned Ock about his legacy.

Least favourite parts where some of Clark's art was very ''off'' to me personally in places though most of the time I thought it was fine.

Kinda of meh about it I guess lol.