Comic books you hate or disliked

[pinkfloydsound17]

Comics I hated....well one issue always comes back to me and its ASM 264 with the WORST Spidey villain, the Red Nine. Terrible. Hated it. Hated wasted a buck adding it to the run. ASM had a solid storyline 238 through 289 and beyond with Hobby and all but they did throw in a number of sub par filler issues (the chubby kid dressed like Doc Ock....terrible).

[dupersuper]

Re Grant Morrison's mainstream work: I'm thinking of his DC stuff, especially anything about Batman and Superman, in which I find those characters to be exalted to ridiculous heights, to the detriment of other story elements.

Superman and Batman can't hear you over the sound of how awesome they are.

[The Confessor]

FYI, Confessor, "jibe" means the opposite of what you're trying to say here. It means to agree with or be in harmony with.

Oops!



EDIT: I think I must've been trying to say that the Moore story didn't jibe with the pre-crisis Superman, and I got confused or distracted or had a brain storm or something.

[Slam_Bradley]

The above must mean you read the GA Supes first. Would you describe how he changed to someone who preferred the George Reeves incarnation if it had to be all one or the other?

Well no. It doesn't necessarily mean that. Having been born in 1967 I clearly didn't read the GA Superman first.

However, I do like Siegel & Shuster's Superman. He wasn't ridiculously over-powered. He was very populist. The depression inspired "villains" and problems he faced we're interesting.

Contrary, the silver/bronze age Superman bored me to tears. Ridiculously over-powered. I found the Weisinger era stories ludicrous rather than charming even as a child. The Schwartz era stories were almost as bad.

From the first issues of JLA and World's Finest I read...I hated Superman.

[Cei-U!]

Oops!

Don't be embarassed. You are, after all, talking to the guy who made the audience at a debate tournament laugh when he pronounced the word "epitome" as "EH-puh-tome."

Cei-U!
I knew what it meant, I used it correctly but I'd never heard anyone say it!

[destro]

Don't be embarassed. You are, after all, talking to the guy who made the audience at a debate tournament laugh when he pronounced the word "epitome" as "EH-puh-tome."

Cei-U!
I knew what it meant, I used it correctly but I'd never heard anyone say it!

Flashback to me trying to impress a woman with some fancy talk about the "bourgeois" and pronouncing it Burg-oy-see... I hate it when you know what something means, but you've only read the word, not had to actually say it!

[berk]

Superman and Batman can't hear you over the sound of how awesome they are.

Exactly the problem as I see it: the reader can't hear whatever else there might be to the story over the blaring sound of how awesome they are, or at least how awesome the writer would have us think they are.

[BDiogenes]

Slam_Bradley, the only stuff I ever read preceding the last issue of All Star Comics was the odd tale reprinted in a Flash 80-page Giant. Is that how you learned the S. & S. Superman differed? When I own up to my displeasure (though not hate) for the virtually omnipotent Supes AND the literary landscape in which he functioned, I'll be sure you are aware. Were Messrs. Weisinger and Schwartz credited? I don't REMEMBER credits back that far except Charles Moulton. I know the DC sff anthologies ran uncredited. Did Superman change because of a switch of writers and wasn't this prior to Showcase 4?

[icctrombone]

I'm guessing what you disliked would have been the only thing that might make it palatable for me.

My thing is...I hated the Silver/Bronze Age Superman from the second I laid eyes on him. And even Alan Moore couldn't make him interesting.

No way. The Silver age Superman was great. Moore wrote a love letter in that story. Cmon, Slam.

[icctrombone]

Anything with Millar's name attached to it is an insta-pass for me. Civil War should have earned him prison time.

I just reread Civil war and found it to be very good. Given the events of the story, it was SUPPOSED TO make the reader feel uncomfortable. Both times Captain America and Ironman squared off, it was extremely violent and hard to watch.

[Francis Dawson]

Brothers (and sisters?) when will the hating stop??

[AdamYJ]

No way. The Silver age Superman was great. Moore wrote a love letter in that story. Cmon, Slam.

I'm going to be honest, Silver Age Superman isn't my cup of tea either. Bronze Age was a little better. But then, part of my problem was that he really didn't face super-villians that often. There was a little Luthor, a little Braniac, a little Mxy, a little Metallo, etc all over the course of a two year period. Most of the Silver Age Superman stories I read had to deal with secret identity shenanigans, Kryptonian heritage, bizarre red kryptonite related situations and playing tricks on Lois. Also, I should note that Lois was kind of annoying in those times. She came across as kind of a nosy, love-struck 13-year old girl stuck in the body of a full-grown journalist. Anyway, I think Superman has one of the best Rogues Galleries around, so my thinking is "bring on the bad guys". They should have a TPB collection that just collects either the first appearance or best appearance of characters' villians. For example, a Superman volume could have the first Luthor story, first Braniac story, first Toyman, first Prankster, first Metallo and first Parasite.

[Francis Dawson]

I can ride for Mort Weisinger Superman comics all day long. I love the endless variations on a handful of plot devices. They're like a totally square version of Krazy Kat.

[MDG]

Were Messrs. Weisinger and Schwartz credited? I don't REMEMBER credits back that far except Charles Moulton. I know the DC sff anthologies ran uncredited.

Until the bronze age, editors were a lot more influential in the tone and quality of a book than individual writers or artists. And editors always had their name in the indicia.

I can ride for Mort Weisinger Superman comics all day long. I love the endless variations on a handful of plot devices. They're like a totally square version of Krazy Kat.

Brilliant!

[dan bailey]

Don't be embarassed. You are, after all, talking to the guy who made the audience at a debate tournament laugh when he pronounced the word "epitome" as "EH-puh-tome."

Cei-U!
I knew what it meant, I used it correctly but I'd never heard anyone say it!

The sort of thing that I have no doubt has befallen just about any of us who read widely as kids, which I'm sure is pretty much 100 percent of this crowd, the difference being that I, for one, luckily never had occasion to commit such a miscue in front of a crowd. (No such thing as a debating team at my school, for one thing.) It's not like I was taking notes or anything, but I'll bet I pronounced "epitome" the way you did until I was at least in college.