Shogo Amakusa VS Yukishiro Enishi

[Kuro]

In the show, it shows Shougo actually slashing at his master and blinding him in a flashback. So, it's not just something like reflecting moonlight off a sword. However, it should be noted that in all instances he used the Rai Ryu Sen, he did require some form of ultra bright light in the darkness to use it. So, if the OP wants to stipulate that it's night, it's possible for him to use it.. otherwise, I don't think it'd be wise to use that as his winning hand.

;_;...@Christian arc. That was a truly good arc, despite it being a filler one. Shougo was a really well written character, IMO.

[The Transient Guest]

In the show, it shows Shougo actually slashing at his master and blinding him in a flashback.

I appreciate it Black, but that's still nebulous as all get out for me.

Like....slashing at his master....does that mean that he can slash/blind with the speed that amaka keyring...the final tech uses?

Is it one fluid motion? Because that's crazy different from the standing slash in the AMV. Guess I'm gonna have to dig around for that feat myself. With these two hands. And nothing but the sweat on my brow.

....Unless someone happens to have it handy?

[angelusdelioncourt]

In the show, it shows Shougo actually slashing at his master and blinding him in a flashback. So, it's not just something like reflecting moonlight off a sword. However, it should be noted that in all instances he used the Rai Ryu Sen, he did require some form of ultra bright light in the darkness to use it. So, if the OP wants to stipulate that it's night, it's possible for him to use it.. otherwise, I don't think it'd be wise to use that as his winning hand.

;_;...@Christian arc. That was a truly good arc, despite it being a filler one. Shougo was a really well written character, IMO.

Yes, that's the one I mean. The blinding attack to his master.

I'm not sure if Shogo can execute the move during daylight. Let's just have it that Shogo can execute the blinding attack no matter what time of the day/night it is.

Doesn't that go under offscreen feats though?

I haven't read that far into Kenshin, I wish I had while I was in Japan and had my girlfriends entire collection of manga handy, so I don't know for sure...

But do we have any videos of that fight? You say "in the anime" but that could just mean that "in the anime" this happens without being shown. If it's not shown then we don't know just how fast he brings it out, just that he used it.

Ya know?

I don't have the clip but it's on episode 68, 18 minutes and 50 seconds into the episode (time includes opening theme). You can watch it through here:
http://www.animefreak.tv/watch/rurou...ed-online-free

In addition to the above, there is no such thing as a "Nine Head Dragon" attack speed.

It's a fast technique, yes, but it's only as fast as the guy executing it.

Oh, the Nine Head Dragon attack was what the subtitle says and it's the one that is imprinted in my mind. It's the Kuzu Ryu Sen, striking all nine of your enemy's target points simultaneously.

[Len Ikari145]

In the show, it shows Shougo actually slashing at his master and blinding him in a flashback. So, it's not just something like reflecting moonlight off a sword. However, it should be noted that in all instances he used the Rai Ryu Sen, he did require some form of ultra bright light in the darkness to use it. So, if the OP wants to stipulate that it's night, it's possible for him to use it.. otherwise, I don't think it'd be wise to use that as his winning hand.

;_;...@Christian arc. That was a truly good arc, despite it being a filler one. Shougo was a really well written character, IMO.

Agreed. The German Knights arc was crap and the Feng Shui arc tried too hard to make RK into Inuyasha.

But the Christian Arc was worthy enough to be a part of the actual manga IMO.

[Kuro]

I appreciate it Black, but that's still nebulous as all get out for me.

Like....slashing at his master....does that mean that he can slash/blind with the speed that amaka keyring...the final tech uses?

Is it one fluid motion? Because that's crazy different from the standing slash in the AMV. Guess I'm gonna have to dig around for that feat myself. With these two hands. And nothing but the sweat on my brow.

....Unless someone happens to have it handy?

No need. I have the episode. The two clash in generic samurai fashion, a bright line shines brightly as their swords connect.. a split second later, Shougo simply dashes past him with his sword arm extended. (The little anime cut sound in between). Master falls, completely blinded. However, it isn't as if Shougo simply slashed his eyes out. He just.. blinded him. The technique is really vague so it's kind of hard to use it when we have no idea how it works. Sort of like ..

Step 1 : I am god!
Step 2 : Ur blind!

So, nothing suggests the master was coming at him with the Kuzu Ryu Sen. He couldn't have come at him with the ougi because he didn't know it. Hiko states that this "master" only learned 1/2 of the succession technique process (9 nine headed dragon), but not the battou jutsu part.

Random thought : The master's grand daughter has an UNCANNY resemblance to Hibiki from Last Blade/CVS2. And she's an Iai-master. Coincidence? YOU decide.

[angelusdelioncourt]

No need. I have the episode. The two clash in generic samurai fashion, a bright line shines brightly as their swords connect.. a split second later, Shougo simply dashes past him with his sword arm extended. (The little anime cut sound in between). Master falls, completely blinded. However, it isn't as if Shougo simply slashed his eyes out. He just.. blinded him. The technique is really vague so it's kind of hard to use it when we have no idea how it works. Sort of like ..

Step 1 : I am god!
Step 2 : Ur blind!

So, nothing suggests the master was coming at him with the Kuzu Ryu Sen. He couldn't have come at him with the ougi because he didn't know it. Hiko states that this "master" only learned 1/2 of the succession technique process (9 nine headed dragon), but not the battou jutsu part.

Random thought : The master's grand daughter has an UNCANNY resemblance to Hibiki from Last Blade/CVS2. And she's an Iai-master. Coincidence? YOU decide.

The master coming at him with the Kuzu Ryu Sen (9 nine headed dragon) and then beating it, therefore the move "could be called" an Amekru Ryu Hirameki, was what Hiko told Kenshin when Hiko was telling Kenshin about the info he has about Shogo. The animation never showed Shogo's master attacking with a Kuzu Ryu Sen (9 nine headed dragon). But it had to be a Kuzu Ryu Sen (9 nine headed dragon), because the Amakeru Ryu Hirameki is basically just a counter of the Kuzu Ryu Sen (9 nine headed dragon).

Shogo's blinding attack, whichever version (from a distance, standing still and targeting you, or a quick slash to counter your slash), is Shogo's version of the should-be official Hiten Mitsurugi succession technique, the Amakeru Ryu Hirameki. So it's Shogo's Amakeru Ryu Hirameki, though vastly different from the official Hiten Mitsurugi's Amakeru Ryu Hirameki that Kenshin and Hiko and all the former Hikos use.

[Kuro]

No, the Rai Ryu Sen isn't an Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki. Shougo has the ACTUAL technique. He uses it against Kenshin's, but loses. The RRS is an entirely new technique. And we have no way of telling if what the master was coming at him was indeed a Kuzu Ryu Sen or not. I would guess it isn't, since it would be animated better than a generic slash. Actually, in that sequence, the attack starts (the master's) as a sword-drawing attack, however after Shougo runs past him with his RRS, the master's seen holding it with both hands. So, I dunno, really. That's a huge discrepancy in the animation unless someone here who is familiar with swordplay will tell me it's common to start an attack with one hand however end it with two.

Anyways, I still believe the RRS is a plausible attack against Enishi. Shougo, as noted before, has way better stats than Kenshin, too.

[Saitou Hajime]

I don't much stock in Shougo outperforming Kenshin in their first fight. Kenshin seemed more like he was using the fight to feel out Shougo and get inside his head rather than actually trying to put him down hard.

[Kuro]

I don't much stock in Shougo outperforming Kenshin in their first fight. Kenshin seemed more like he was using the fight to feel out Shougo and get inside his head rather than actually trying to put him down hard.

To be honest, I don't think he ever fought as hard as he did against Shishio. The guy practically came back to life, did some supernatural ken-ki stuff and was going crazy with combos and added steps and such. Even against Enishi, he didn't seem to exert that kind of force. (though, to be fair, he was more rested up). It's such a shame that the TV fillers were written... like shit. Really. However, I really did like the Shougo arc because he had a lot of different sides and, IMO, was even more interesting a character than Enishi. And I LOVED the Aoshi and Misao episode.