I know how to bring back Wally

[FlashEarthOne]

Hmmmm.. They Don't Let's See.. Thor, Thunderstrike, Blizkrieg, Beta Ray Bill
Iron Man, War Machine
And That's not even stepping into the ultimate universe.

They have similar costumes and similar powers... but they don't share the exact same name and costume. I guess that they have gone that route with Red Hulk... which was a stupid idea. Maybe they do that in the Ultimate line, but I've never read even one issue.

[BohemiaDrinker]

Logically, the next step in Wally's character development (which would be rendered moot in the new continuity) is how he'd adjust to being an equal partner with Barry.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Not necessarily rendered moot. NuDC`s continuity has the space to keep at least Wally`s "promotion" to Flash, and that would be enough to introduce the take you (and others) have been proposing, similar to the 2 Kamen Riders. All they needed to do is something along these lines:



Since both Kyle´s and Dick`s tenure`s are already there anyway, it`s not even much of a stretch. Of course, DC would have to want to, which is the real problem....

[[Trigger]]

Not necessarily rendered moot. NuDC`s continuity has the space to keep at least Wally`s "promotion" to Flash, and that would be enough to introduce the take you (and others) have been proposing, similar to the 2 Kamen Riders. All they needed to do is something along these lines:



Since both Kyle´s and Dick`s tenure`s are already there anyway, it`s not even much of a stretch. Of course, DC would have to want to, which is the real problem....

This is actually how I assumed things were when the dcnu came out. Since Bruce and Hal were gone for a while I just assumed Barry had also been dead/gone.

[PennyDreadful]

They have similar costumes and similar powers... but they don't share the exact same name and costume. I guess that they have gone that route with Red Hulk... which was a stupid idea. Maybe they do that in the Ultimate line, but I've never read even one issue.

Well, do you think that's a good idea or not? I'd like to also add Captain America and USAgent.

I'm also curious: why do you think DC kept four Earth-based Green Lanterns instead of, say, sending three of them off to comic book limbo and keeping, say, Hal?

[Jadenewt]

Well, do you think that's a good idea or not? I'd like to also add Captain America and USAgent.

And there was also a time when USAgent was Captain America and Steve Rogers simply went by The Captain.

[refrax5]

They haven't shown it in the New 52, but I thought for sure that Barry was supposed to remember the old world as well as Flashpoint.

They've shown the Thomas Wayne letter in the New 52, so someone has got to remember something.

I don't think it has ever been stated that Barry doesn't remember Flashpoint. That's obvious from the end of the story, since he's telling Bruce about it in the DCnU at the end of the story. I think it's just logical to assume that he isn't aware that the current timeline was changed as a result. Flashpoint still happened and is remembered by Barry in the current continuity. That's been shown pretty explicitly. But seeing as Barry's entire history was altered, he doesn't even realize that history was altered by that event.

[CMBMOOL]

I don't think it has ever been stated that Barry doesn't remember Flashpoint. That's obvious from the end of the story, since he's telling Bruce about it in the DCnU at the end of the story. I think it's just logical to assume that he isn't aware that the current timeline was changed as a result. Flashpoint still happened and is remembered by Barry in the current continuity. That's been shown pretty explicitly. But seeing as Barry's entire history was altered, he doesn't even realize that history was altered by that event.

Blast, it Marvel's OMD all over again at the DCnU.

[MajorHoy]

And there was also a time when USAgent was Captain America and Steve Rogers simply went by The Captain.

And let's not forget

[Buried Alien]

Not necessarily rendered moot. NuDC`s continuity has the space to keep at least Wally`s "promotion" to Flash, and that would be enough to introduce the take you (and others) have been proposing, similar to the 2 Kamen Riders. All they needed to do is something along these lines:



Since both Kyle´s and Dick`s tenure`s are already there anyway, it`s not even much of a stretch. Of course, DC would have to want to, which is the real problem....

It's technically doable, but one-to-two year spans in the role feel more like short-term dabblings rather than actual entrenchment in the roles. DC can have the whole of its history, or it can have its compressed timeline, but trying to do both doesn't really help get the DCU here or there.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[MajorHoy]

It's technically doable, but one-to-two year spans in the role feel more like short-term dabblings rather than actual entrenchment in the roles. DC can have the whole of its history, or it can have its compressed timeline, but trying to do both doesn't really help get the DCU here or there.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Even if you have Wally take over as Flash, you still have to give him an origin somewhere and somehow. And maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem like Barry and Iris had any sort of relationship prior to recently in the DCnU.

[Buried Alien]

Actually, now that I think about it, BD's timeline might work if we apply the "Kamen Rider" model to Barry and Wally.

Let's try this:

YEAR ONE: Barry becomes the Flash and has a year of solo adventures.

YEAR TWO: Barry meets *17-year-old* Wally West, who gains superspeed as a result of his association with Barry (either identical to the original Silver Age story or something else along those lines). Wally becomes Barry's partner, and they are BOTH known as the Flash (no Kid Flash role for Wally this time) and work as a partnership known as Double Flash.

YEAR THREE (beginning): Due to some crisis (not COIE, but some other major crisis), Barry is critically wounded. He doesn't die, but even with his superspeed metabolism, it will require at least a year for him to fully heal. During this time, Wally becomes the sole Flash.

YEAR FOUR: Wally as sole Flash continues.

YEAR FIVE: Barry recovers - he and Wally continue as Double Flash. Wally takes a leave of absence to pursue college studies, but remains on standby and is always ready to suit up and help whenever Barry needs him.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[eggstatic]

Well, do you think that's a good idea or not? I'd like to also add Captain America and USAgent.

I'm also curious: why do you think DC kept four Earth-based Green Lanterns instead of, say, sending three of them off to comic book limbo and keeping, say, Hal?

Because the only comics that were having good sales prior the reboot were GL books and Batman. Ergo, they kept the GL storyline intact, Siniestro War and all. Same thing with Batman, they kept incorporated and Dick was still Batman.
You're being obtuse and clouded by the fact that you want some characters back. DC wants to streamline their comics as much as possible, sales for DC have picked up since the reboot. Maybe there will be a place for another Flash later on but they are trying to keep franchises as simple as possible, at least the ones that weren't as successful money wise. There's also the fact that DC probably doesn't want to release all their characters straight out of the gun, they did first, second and now third wave. They will release new titles in the future with new and old characters. There's no Lobo comic yet either, doesn't mean hes retconned out of existence, other characters can appear later on, DC didn't want to release 300 comics on day one, they have to do it in phases.
As people have said, there's a lot of ways to bring Wally to the new universe but until there's not a why that convinces them that the comic makes sense in their universe and will also sell copies they aren't going to release it. Releasing a new flash comic is just going to confuse readers at this point, not to mention that it will decrease sales for the other Flash title.
Finally, the fact that you think DiDio is trolling fans is ridiculous, if you honestly think they are going to remove characters off just because they don't like them you are wrong and there's no way to back that up.

[MajorHoy]

Because the only comics that were having good sales prior the reboot were GL books and Batman. Ergo, they kept the GL storyline intact, Siniestro War and all. Same thing with Batman, they kept incorporated and Dick was still Batman.

In addition to sales, they may not have wanted to piss-off Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison, who were largely responsible for much of the recent Green Lantern and Batman popularity.

[PennyDreadful]

Because the only comics that were having good sales prior the reboot were GL books and Batman. Ergo, they kept the GL storyline intact, Siniestro War and all. Same thing with Batman, they kept incorporated and Dick was still Batman.
You're being obtuse and clouded by the fact that you want some characters back.

No. Some posters didn't like the fact that there are four Earth-based Lanterns and had a problem with it. I was asking them about it. (Personally, I don't have an opinion one way or the other; I just think the Lanterns from other worlds are underused.)

Anyway, I've heard these defenses of DC before and just don't buy it. So be it.

By the way, Francis Manapul and Brett Booth did submit proposals for Wally which were rejected. They've mentioned this in interviews. Francis had a way to do it that, according to him, wouldn't be disruptive. So it's not just a matter of fan commentary.

Finally, the fact that you think DiDio is trolling fans is ridiculous, if you honestly think they are going to remove characters off just because they don't like them you are wrong and there's no way to back that up.

Well, I'm going by what Ethan Van Sciver said at a convention. Here is a rundown. Regardless of how Didio feels about certain characters, I would say there is some trolling going on at conventions. And Didio never seemed to be too fond of the first wave of legacy characters. He wanted to kill off Nightwing at one point. As in Dick Grayson. As in the first Robin.

If other people have faith in DC at this point, fine. That's their prerogative. I guess after reading DC for the last couple of years and following the books, I've come to distrust what they say.

[PennyDreadful]

In addition to sales, they may not have wanted to piss-off Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison, who were largely responsible for much of the recent Green Lantern and Batman popularity.

Bingo! Now here's the question: why did Geoff Johns, after lavishing so much attention on Barry, leave the book? I remember he was talking about aaaaalllll the plans he had. Why didn't he stay and at least try to adapt those plans to a new series? Why hand over the reins, and was it his choice to leave? I didn't care for his run writing Barry, but I'm surprised he left when he did.

Believe it or not, I did try to enjoy the new book, but Barry still isn't very interesting. In fact, Singh and Piper are the only characters that are, IMO.