I know how to bring back Wally

[Mr. Holmes]

Well, I do, but the discussion has been done to death.

No, I really don't think you do, and I'm not saying that as an insult. You keep referring to the universe having multiple Earths. So unless you mean that there are multiple planet Earths in the universe, I really don't think you understand how you're using the term.

I've already explained why that isn't really the case here. One Flash per Earth, perhaps. That's a better way to put it.

There's also one Superman per Earth. It's not a better way to put it, because that part is irrelevant.

I wasn't following at that time and must respectfully disagree that it was diluted. I've already explained why I don't agree.

No you really haven't.

He is the main character in a book or two. There are, as I mentioned, other Earth Lanterns who have appeared in comics and on TV. Hal isn't the best analogy. Please note that I'm referring to the presence of four Green Lanterns from one planet. Otherwise, the policy in the GL Corps is "one Lantern per planet."

Other GL's exist, but they're almost supporting characters to Hal, with the exception of John Stewart in Justice League. Hal has his own show. Hal starred in the movie. That alone puts him on top of the others.

I've explained before why this doesn't really ring true...especially given that the Green Lantern getting the most publicity these days is Alan Scott, who's a Green Lantern on a different Earth. And Wally doesn't HAVE to be a Flash on the same Earth as Barry. Or even use the Flash code name if he is on Earth-Prime.

Yes, Wally will probably be on a different Earth if he's ever seen. This goes back to how you do't understand what a universe is.

[Buried Alien]

There'd be little point to bringing Wally back if you need to compromise *so* much that he's effectively nothing like the character everyone is familiar with.

Logically, the next step in Wally's character development (which would be rendered moot in the new continuity) is how he'd adjust to being an equal partner with Barry. We've seen Wally as Barry's junior partner; we've seen Wally carry on Barry's legacy as primary Flash. I'd have loved to have seen more of how Wally would have been adjusted to being part of a Double Flash team.

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[PennyDreadful]

No, I really don't think you do, and I'm not saying that as an insult. You keep referring to the universe having multiple Earths. So unless you mean that there are multiple planet Earths in the universe, I really don't think you understand how you're using the term.

Well, you mentioned that Jay and Barry are in different universes. So are you saying each earth is in its own universe? Or there's an overreaching universe with multiple Earths? I've already given my reasons for disagreeing with previous arguments for keeping certain characters out and don't feel it's worth it to rehash them. Just what do you see as the set up here? Different universes, each with its own Earth? A universe spanning different Earths in different dimensions? A Multiverse where the universe includes different realities?

There are ways to use characters that don't mean that they all have to star in their own book. Kyle is the GL for GL: New Guardians. John and Guy are in GL Corps. Hal has his own book. So there are four Earth-based Green Lanterns, but in different roles and in different titles. Again, it's similar to the pre-reboot era where Jay was the Flash of JSA, and Wally was also a Flash in his own book AND in JL. In all the above cases, one does not take away from the other. (Off topic, but personally? I'd love a GL book that focuses on the other Lanterns who aren't Earth-based, like Soranik Natu, Kilowog, Princess Iolande, etc.)

[PennyDreadful]

There'd be little point to bringing Wally back if you need to compromise *so* much that he's effectively nothing like the character everyone is familiar with.

Still, that's happened with a lot of characters in the reboot already, so...

[Jadenewt]

Still, that's happened with a lot of characters in the reboot already, so...

Then just read the Young Justice Comic he's in that and all you asking is that he be represented well there he is. No need for all the angst.

[Mr. Holmes]

Well, you mentioned that Jay and Barry are in different universes. So are you saying each earth is in its own universe? Or there's an overreaching universe with multiple Earths?

The former.

I've already given my reasons for disagreeing with previous arguments for keeping certain characters out and don't feel it's worth it to rehash them.

And I've pointed out why they're not true.

Just what do you see as the set up here? Different universes, each with its own Earth? A universe spanning different Earths in different dimensions? A Multiverse where the universe includes different realities?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(DC_Comics)

There are ways to use characters that don't mean that they all have to star in their own book. Kyle is the GL for GL: New Guardians. John and Guy are in GL Corps. Hal has his own book. So there are four Earth-based Green Lanterns, but in different roles and in different titles. Again, it's similar to the pre-reboot era where Jay was the Flash of JSA, and Wally was also a Flash in his own book AND in JL. In all the above cases, one does not take away from the other. (Off topic, but personally? I'd love a GL book that focuses on the other Lanterns who aren't Earth-based, like Soranik Natu, Kilowog, Princess Iolande, etc.)

And that goes back to how the GL concept allows for multiple people in that role. If the Flash was an organization that patrols the time stream and called for recruiting lots of people, you would have a point.
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[PennyDreadful]

And I've pointed out why they're not true.

I think this is the "agree to disagree" moment. We are not going to change each other's minds here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(DC_Comics)

And that goes back to how the GL concept allows for multiple people in that role. If the Flash was an organization that patrols the time stream and called for recruiting lots of people, you would have a point.

But it doesn't answer the question of four Earth-based Lanterns when most planets only have one Lantern. Besides, I thought the Lanterns patrolled space. The time stream is Booster Gold's beat. Meanwhile, maybe the Multiversity project will clear things up, if it's ever published.

[Mr. Holmes]

But it doesn't answer the question of four Earth-based Lanterns when most planets only have one Lantern.

Yeah it's a problem I have with the way the Green Lantern books right now, but obviously DC didn't think that far.

[MajorHoy]

I'd even amend that to:

Yeah it's a problem I have with the way the Green Lantern books are right now, but obviously DC didn't think.

[Jadenewt]

I think this is the "agree to disagree" moment. We are not going to change each other's minds here.




But it doesn't answer the question of four Earth-based Lanterns when most planets only have one Lantern. Besides, I thought the Lanterns patrolled space. The time stream is Booster Gold's beat. Meanwhile, maybe the Multiversity project will clear things up, if it's ever published.

Well One of those Lanterns is a Rogue Lantern. (Kyle) and I don't think Hal has a ring at the moment either. (I don't read GL so I'm not too sure) and isn't John on trial for killing another lantern? So that pretty much leaves Earth with Guy.

[FlashEarthOne]

Well One of those Lanterns is a Rogue Lantern. (Kyle) and I don't think Hal has a ring at the moment either. (I don't read GL so I'm not too sure) and isn't John on trial for killing another lantern? So that pretty much leaves Earth with Guy.

There still have been four GL's (and now 5 apparently) on Earth. I have always thought it was a mistake for Earth to have four GL's... simply because it doesn't quite make sense. Why should Earth have so many GL's when other worlds don't? They shouldn't make that same mistake with their other properties. It doesn't work perfectly with the GL mythos, but at least multiple GL's are easily explained by the fact that they are a police force.

Even with the GL mythos it has caused a branding issue. You have people claiming "their" GL is the best and should have the spotlight. Just look at how certain posters (fans of Kyle and John) blame the Green Lantern movie's failure on its use of Hal instead of "their" GL. DC would be wise not to perpetuate this. Marvel doesn't have multiple versions of their big characters... DC could learn from that.

[Kiryu]

There'd be little point to bringing Wally back if you need to compromise *so* much that he's effectively nothing like the character everyone is familiar with.

Logically, the next step in Wally's character development (which would be rendered moot in the new continuity) is how he'd adjust to being an equal partner with Barry. We've seen Wally as Barry's junior partner; we've seen Wally carry on Barry's legacy as primary Flash. I'd have loved to have seen more of how Wally would have been adjusted to being part of a Double Flash team.

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I would have liked this as well. One of the biggest shames about Wally's benching is that just by reintroducing Barry you demolish the dead end Geoff Johns had written Barry into. The development for the two of them - Wally struggling to compete with his Uncle's legend now working alongside the real deal. Barry thrust into a world that got along fine without him. Barry used to being his own speedster or in charge compared to Wally whose been working with a speedster family for most of his career. It would have made for a much interesting story then the one we got, imo.

[MajorHoy]

. . . Marvel doesn't have multiple versions of their big characters... DC could learn from that.

No, Marvel has their big characters in multiple titles and on five or six superhero teams at the same time.

[Jadenewt]

Marvel doesn't have multiple versions of their big characters... DC could learn from that.

Hmmmm.. They Don't Let's See.. Thor, Thunderstrike, Blizkrieg, Beta Ray Bill
Iron Man, War Machine
And That's not even stepping into the ultimate universe.

[Buried Alien]

I would have liked this as well. One of the biggest shames about Wally's benching is that just by reintroducing Barry you demolish the dead end Geoff Johns had written Barry into. The development for the two of them - Wally struggling to compete with his Uncle's legend now working alongside the real deal. Barry thrust into a world that got along fine without him. Barry used to being his own speedster or in charge compared to Wally whose been working with a speedster family for most of his career. It would have made for a much interesting story then the one we got, imo.

I can't be the only one who sees the parallels:





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