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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielFlat View Post
    Well, it only took him how long to finish a 12-issue limited series recently?
    In all fairness that might have been the fault of the artist.

    Typically the delays are more due to the art than the writing.

    But yeah... at this point I'm not sure we can give JMS the benefit of the doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake V View Post
    Where's the petition to keep him away?

    I'll sign that.
    This.

    I, for one, will avoid any future work by JMS, who I think is his own greatest fan.

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    I loved his Thor run, and infinitely prefer it to the book's current direction. HOWEVAH...


    The minute a comic book company asks him to spin his vision for the book into a crossover event (which is kind of one every 12 months or so), he gets pissed off and walks. Happened with Thor leading to "Siege", and it happened with Superman at DC. Love the guy as a writer, but putting him on a running title in a mainstream universe at this point doesn't seem like something he'd want to do. The normal business practice of having to tie into the rest of that universe at the big two is going to be an issue he'll have to deal with, and there's a pattern now showing he doesn't want to.

    That's the vibe I'm getting, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    In all fairness that might have been the fault of the artist.

    Typically the delays are more due to the art than the writing.

    But yeah... at this point I'm not sure we can give JMS the benefit of the doubt.
    I thought I heard that the artist was waiting for scripts at one point, but I don't remember the source of that.

    And considering how he bailed not even halfway through his twelve issue commitments at DC on Superman and Wonder Woman to work on a different project, I just wouldn't doubt that JMS played a part in the Twelve being stuck in limbo for a while.
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    Meh. I'd rather have Gillen back, writing both Thor and JiM.

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    I'm another petitioner for having Gillen back (if anything).
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    I loved his Thor run, and infinitely prefer it to the book's current direction. HOWEVAH...


    The minute a comic book company asks him to spin his vision for the book into a crossover event (which is kind of one every 12 months or so), he gets pissed off and walks. Happened with Thor leading to "Siege", and it happened with Superman at DC. Love the guy as a writer, but putting him on a running title in a mainstream universe at this point doesn't seem like something he'd want to do. The normal business practice of having to tie into the rest of that universe at the big two is going to be an issue he'll have to deal with, and there's a pattern now showing he doesn't want to.

    That's the vibe I'm getting, at least.
    Yeah, I think JMS sort of sounds like he basically wants to do things his way. He's great doing his own thing, but when he's gotta play in a shared universe it's a problem.

    If he ever does anything at marvel again, he probably should consider just out of continuity mini's... or maybe something in the Ultimate Universe. Squadrom Supreme was perfect because he literally had the entire sandbox all to himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turtletrekker View Post
    Meh. I'd rather have Gillen back, writing both Thor and JiM.

    Quoted for truth.

    Someone should start a petition for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    And considering how he bailed not even halfway through his twelve issue commitments at DC on Superman and Wonder Woman to work on a different project...
    He didn' bail. Editorial reassigned him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Yeah, I think JMS sort of sounds like he basically wants to do things his way. He's great doing his own thing, but when he's gotta play in a shared universe it's a problem.

    If he ever does anything at marvel again, he probably should consider just out of continuity mini's... or maybe something in the Ultimate Universe. Squadrom Supreme was perfect because he literally had the entire sandbox all to himself.
    It was perfect for him, but for whatever reason he left it on a cliffhanger and walked away. (A sign of things to come for many books he would later write.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blank_space View Post
    It was perfect for him, but for whatever reason he left it on a cliffhanger and walked away. (A sign of things to come for many books he would later write.)
    It was because Supreme Power and Squadron Supreme were radically different kinds o books, and he would much rather have continued writing Supreme Power under the MAX imprint. Alas, Marvel got greedy and made him streamline it into something more resembling a normal team book and kickedhim down to the Marvel Knights imprint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carabas View Post
    It was because Supreme Power and Squadron Supreme were radically different kinds o books, and he would much rather have continued writing Supreme Power under the MAX imprint. Alas, Marvel got greedy and made him streamline it into something more resembling a normal team book and kickedhim down to the Marvel Knights imprint.
    Was it really such a radical departure? Maybe I'm misinformed but wouldn't he just need to lose the nudity and swearing? A writer can easily continue to tell their story even without those two elements. And streamlining a book to a team book, doesn't seem like such a big deal when he could easily just have the team breakup eventually (since most teams do that anyway).

    Honestly these don't seem like big enough issues that any competent writer should abandon a book over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blank_space View Post
    It was perfect for him, but for whatever reason he left it on a cliffhanger and walked away. (A sign of things to come for many books he would later write.)
    Even though his writing did start to kinda suck by the time he was writing Squadron Supreme instead of Supreme Powers (and I personally don't think the fact that it shifted from a Max title is any sort of excuse for that), I hated how he literally just walked away from that unfinished. I'm not sure that's on marvel or him or what, but that was just terrible. And yeah... like you said it does feel like it began setting somewhat of a pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake V View Post
    Where's the petition to keep him away?

    I'll sign that.
    Me too. I'll even come up with a couple aliases.
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    He's a petulant, pompous, and vastly overrated man-child. Nothing I have read from him warrants me wanting him to come back to this, or any title really.
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