Why is Marvel making Tony Stark the fall guy?

[gregyo]

Ragnorak was a small part of a complex solution that eventually worked out. Yes, people got their feelings hurt, a few got arrested, and the Goliath that no one remembers existed died (His fault for attacking), but the heroes were still saved from a days of future past mutie event occurring, so it was pretty golden. Yes, the Hulk broke his machine; the hulk is a dick, that's why he got kicked off the planet. Not sure what the council of Reeds has to do with anything, but it makes sense that it would take a Reed Richards to out-think a Reed Richards. The Negative zone has been causing trouble for fifty years, Tony had Rob in Therapy and was also the one who took out the Void with a hellicarrier dive bomb, and was also the one who turned the tables on the Skrulls invasion.

Basically, when Tony is on the case, it eventually works out. Present unpleasantness is the gateway to future rewards.

How did Clor work out? He's still a evil/insane clone.

[Ian Pressman]

How did Clor work out? He's still a evil/insane clone.

He was a small part of the equation that didn't work out. You wouldn't fault your car for having a flat tire, would you? Registration was the car; Clor was the flat.

[gregyo]

He was a small part of the equation that didn't work out. You wouldn't fault your car for having a flat tire, would you?

I think I misinterpreted you. I thought you meant that Clor had problems at first, but eventually became a success. Which I don't agree with. If you are talking about Civil War in general, becoming a success for Tony, then I could possibly agree with that.

[TonyStark1012]

And mikekerrIII, I knew you couldn't resist this thread.

LMAO! You know it! You just gave him and Mark_S and brand new sandbox to play(and complain) in.

[TonyStark1012]

In Civil War, Secret Invasion, and Dark Reign Stark was the fall guy simply because he was the guy in charge. That's simply how it works.

In AvX, I think the lions share of the fault for anything will lay on Scott and Steve. I'm sure Stark may feel bad about what happened, but unlike in Civil War or Secret Invasion I very much down any of the characters will blame him.

I can see that even though he still gets the blame for Clor more than Reed does. Tony was top guy so everyone point the finger at him. In AvX I think him spliting the phoenix might work out for the best, but we have to wait and see.

[celticguy]

I agree that Reed has a good track record. But his mistakes can be just as devastating. And he doesn't get the flak Tony does, even when they both are involved in the same event.

yeah but Tony is a dick and Reed is the absent minded professor.

[celticguy]

I can see that even though he still gets the blame for Clor more than Reed does. Tony was top guy so everyone point the finger at him. In AvX I think him spliting the phoenix might work out for the best, but we have to wait and see.

ell the Avengers goal in AVX is to keep the world in one piece so I am sure that goal will be achieved. Now we just have to see how much destruction happens in the meantime.

[mikekerrIII]

No but he did figure out how to defeat the skrull pretty quickly and Clor mostly worked. He does have the best record for making save the day devices.

Clor was used twice before it turned straight up vaudevillian. It malfuctioned both times. How is that mostly worked. It never worked properly.

[mikekerrIII]

He was a small part of the equation that didn't work out. You wouldn't fault your car for having a flat tire, would you? Registration was the car; Clor was the flat.

None of the equation worked Out, unless part of that equation was Cap deciding to quit while he was winning the fight.

[Darkspellmaster]

Tony's only partly a dick, he's not a dick 100% of the time. Also given the fact that Tony's sort of the unoffical bruce wayne a lot of writers probably find it easier to blame the guy with the tech and the money then say blaming a character like Steve, or even say someone like Scott, who's seen as the long suffering boyscout. Do I see readers blaming him for this mistake, yes, but out of the options that were viable at the time Tony and Pym at least bought time to regroup and probably something like this may manage to help them out later in some way in the story.

A think one of the flaws that people like to nitpick on Iron Man has been said, he's confident and knows that he's smart, it makes it so that when he makes mistakes the readers want to go, "There you see you aren't that smart you rich jerk."

[Alan Smithee]

Price of fame. Those mooks builds you up, then tear you down.

[Exo]

It seems that Marvel is making Tony the scapegoat in alot of events. Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, the Infinity Gems arc in Avengers and now the latest, AvX. So what gives, is he just a natural to lay the blame on? Seems that all of this just overshadows the good his done in his career to some people. Tony's my favorite character and I know he's not perfect but he's become Marvel's go to guy for blame. Is it good for the character? Is it good for Marvel?

You mean the crybaby fanboys? Ignore them.

As for whether Tony's to blame for everything, don't be ridiculous. It'd still happen with or without him (though I like to think the outcome would've been much worse without his involvement).

[motherofpearl1]

I love him in the movie!
Seriously though, they seem hell bent on turning all our favourite characters into douchebags lately - hence Spidey making a deal with the devil and Cyclops changing from the X Men's version of Captain America into a psycho separatist.

The times they are a - changing...............

[Jabare]

you guys really need to watch the next episode of Avengers: EMH- Emperor Stark


I won't give out any spoilers, but............ wow

[Ian Pressman]

None of the equation worked Out, unless part of that equation was Cap deciding to quit while he was winning the fight.

Semantics. Iron Man won the war because he won the argument. Cap gave up because he realized he was fighting just for the sake of fighting, whereas Stark stuck to his convictions and won the support of the people. Everything worked out.