Why is Marvel making Tony Stark the fall guy?

[marvell2100]

He is only the fall guy if you take a narrow view. He did not create the events he was just on the less popular side of them for the most part. He did not creat the SHRA he just puffed out his chest and told people he saw it coming. The SI started before he was in charge and he was as responsible as much as anyone in defeating the skrulls. The fact they hacked his newest tech is bad but honestly whose tech were they not going to hack. DR was Osborn using his skill to put himself in a position of power. Stark was being blamed for all the destruction as the guy in charge usually is and Osborn played the media and politics to grab power. Cannot blame him for AVX yet until it plays out.

I never said he created these events or even that he's solely or partly responsible. I just wonder why Marvel seems to have the blame skew towards him in most of these events. I also said it's not just AvX. Eve nif you take that out of the equation Marvel has had the finger pointing at Tony. People blame Tony for WWH,CW,Clor,SI, and DR because Marvel has turned every attempt by Tony to do something a fubar. Good intentions or no.

[ExodusCloak]

I can't recall an instance when the Illumanati did not screw up? All they seemed to do in that mini was mess up. I see them causing shit in AvX too, the Cabal while volatile were far more competent.

[marvell2100]

Plus Stark was working with number 6 and who knows if number 3 (Panther) took a look and added some comments. (I am also just tossing around numbers)

It probably would have worked if Reed was around if not the first time the 2nd. With Doom it probably would have just given him the power.

Reed's not infallible. He had his hand in Clor and his Council of Reeds nearly got Earth destroyed.

[celticguy]

Reed's not infallible. He had his hand in Clor and his Council of Reeds nearly got Earth destroyed.

No but he did figure out how to defeat the skrull pretty quickly and Clor mostly worked. He does have the best record for making save the day devices.

[marvell2100]

No but he did figure out how to defeat the skrull pretty quickly and Clor mostly worked. He does have the best record for making save the day devices.

I agree that Reed has a good track record. But his mistakes can be just as devastating. And he doesn't get the flak Tony does, even when they both are involved in the same event.

[Ian Pressman]

It seems that Marvel is making Tony the scapegoat in alot of events. Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, the Infinity Gems arc in Avengers and now the latest, AvX. So what gives, is he just a natural to lay the blame on? Seems that all of this just overshadows the good his done in his career to some people. Tony's my favorite character and I know he's not perfect but he's become Marvel's go to guy for blame. Is it good for the character? Is it good for Marvel?

Stark is Marvel's superman; in a way, he's as hard to write for as Doctor Strange. There's no scenario where you can't imagine him coming up with some impossible implementation of science to save the day. Making him look bad is just a popular method of establishing how serious a situation is. "Iron Man is in trouble? Sh-t just got REAL!"

Tony's real problem in certain situations is a combination of his intelligence and being a futurist. He's smart enough to intuitively grasp the benefits of enduring present unpleasantness to enjoy guaranteed future rewards. He was correct in that removing Hulk from Earth would have led to a happier Hulk and a safer earth; he was also correct about registration keeping the public and the government from turning on all heroes. Stark is a walking advertisement for the benefits of having the balls to stick to your vision come hell or high water. Of course people want to take him down a peg; Confidence in one's self will make you a target for the insecure. Haters gotta sip that hater-aide, naw whadda mean?

[ExodusCloak]

How was Clor a success? And, in WWH the Hulk broke his Golden Light producing machine. Also, they at to enlist Reed Richards greatest enemies to take down the Council of Reeds. Oh and the portal to the negative zone that has caused crap loads of trouble.

Not to mention Tony and Reed new that the Sentry was addicted to the serum, he wasn't a hero but a druggie. And Reed was part of the Illumanti who led a pre-emptive attack on the Skrull throne world.

[Mark_S]

i think one thing you can be sure of is that after this is over tony won't be the scapegoat. after all the others he was, but not this time. it takes an extraordinary amount of stretching to put the blame around him. even if some fans do i don't see anyone in the mu pointing fingers at tony. no, steve and scott are the ones to blame here.

Mark_S

[celticguy]

I never said he created these events or even that he's solely or partly responsible. I just wonder why Marvel seems to have the blame skew towards him in most of these events. I also said it's not just AvX. Eve nif you take that out of the equation Marvel has had the finger pointing at Tony. People blame Tony for WWH,CW,Clor,SI, and DR because Marvel has turned every attempt by Tony to do something a fubar. Good intentions or no.

Are you talking readers or the MU world?

WWH, CW and SI he was in the big seat so he gets the blame. Osborn in the MU made sure he got the credit for ending SI even though Reed, The Protector (or whatever name he was using then, and even Stark did much more. The MU in general seems unaware of anyone but Normie. In CW he was up against Cap and that always makes you look bad. Stark had a lot of support in the MU and by readers during CW though. Not sure if the MU blames him for Clor, they shouldn't he did not make it.

[celticguy]

How was Clor a success? .

Said it worked kinds not the same thing. Also he did not build it so he really gets neither blame or credit.

If you don't think more of Reed's devices have worked then faikled well just move along.

[celticguy]

I agree that Reed has a good track record. But his mistakes can be just as devastating. And he doesn't get the flak Tony does, even when they both are involved in the same event.

Yeah but it is the old saying if I gotta pick one guy to take the shot who you gonna pick.

[ExodusCloak]

Said it worked kinds not the same thing. Also he did not build it so he really gets neither blame or credit.

If you don't think more of Reed's devices have worked then faikled well just move along.

It works when the plot allows it to. It fails or back fires (Which happens a crapload) when the writer wants it to. Clearly the writer wanted it to fail thus if it had been Reed, it would have failed in this situation too.

[marvell2100]

Are you talking readers or the MU world?

WWH, CW and SI he was in the big seat so he gets the blame. Osborn in the MU made sure he got the credit for ending SI even though Reed, The Protector (or whatever name he was using then, and even Stark did much more. The MU in general seems unaware of anyone but Normie. In CW he was up against Cap and that always makes you look bad. Stark had a lot of support in the MU and by readers during CW though. Not sure if the MU blames him for Clor, they shouldn't he did not make it.

It's more real world blame. The evnets set themselves up so that alot of people blame Tony when it's shown that it's not entirely his fault or it was circumstances beyond his control. We've seen people make arguments for and against Tony i n these events but it's mostly Tony that we argue about. And no matter what happens, it all usually leads back to him. I'll be the first to say he's made his fair share of mistakes but some of the stuff he gets blamed for is crazy. But Marvel has it set up so that the fingers are always pointing at him.

[Ian Pressman]

How was Clor a success? And, in WWH the Hulk broke his Golden Light producing machine. Also, they at to enlist Reed Richards greatest enemies to take down the Council of Reeds. Oh and the portal to the negative zone that has caused crap loads of trouble.

Not to mention Tony and Reed new that the Sentry was addicted to the serum, he wasn't a hero but a druggie. And Reed was part of the Illumanti who led a pre-emptive attack on the Skrull throne world.

Ragnorak was a small part of a complex solution that eventually worked out. Yes, people got their feelings hurt, a few got arrested, and the Goliath that no one remembers existed died (His fault for attacking), but the heroes were still saved from a days of future past mutie event occurring, so it was pretty golden. Yes, the Hulk broke his machine; the hulk is a dick, that's why he got kicked off the planet. Not sure what the council of Reeds has to do with anything, but it makes sense that it would take a Reed Richards to out-think a Reed Richards. The Negative zone has been causing trouble for fifty years, Tony had Rob in Therapy and was also the one who took out the Void with a hellicarrier dive bomb, and was also the one who turned the tables on the Skrulls invasion.

Basically, when Tony is on the case, it eventually works out. Present unpleasantness is the gateway to future rewards.

[marvell2100]

Stark is Marvel's superman; in a way, he's as hard to write for as Doctor Strange. There's no scenario where you can't imagine him coming up with some impossible implementation of science to save the day. Making him look bad is just a popular method of establishing how serious a situation is. "Iron Man is in trouble? Sh-t just got REAL!"

Tony's real problem in certain situations is a combination of his intelligence and being a futurist. He's smart enough to intuitively grasp the benefits of enduring present unpleasantness to enjoy guaranteed future rewards. He was correct in that removing Hulk from Earth would have led to a happier Hulk and a safer earth; he was also correct about registration keeping the public and the government from turning on all heroes. Stark is a walking advertisement for the benefits of having the balls to stick to your vision come hell or high water. Of course people want to take him down a peg; Confidence in one's self will make you a target for the insecure. Haters gotta sip that hater-aide, naw whadda mean?

And that's probably one of Tony's greatest qualities and why I like him. His confidence in himself and his abilities despite any setbacks. He still tries to do better no matter what.