PREVIEW: Bendis & Deodato's "New Avengers" #28

[Zen-aku]

that's beside the point. two avengers remade the world in their image, and it was the x-men who had to pull all the avengers together and lead the raid on genosha to bring the world back.

x-men....always cleaning up the avengers mess.

actually the X-man who pulled them together, was also an Avenger.

and if were gonna talk about cleaning up messes, onslaught says hi.

[Nomads1]

Let me get this straight. A few issues ago, Luke Cage was shown casually carrying trucks, now he's beig held behind "iron bars"? Is there a power dampner or adamantium prison cell I'm not aware of? Plus, Warpath should have easily handed Cage his ass, however, it seems he got his handed to him by Captain America, so what do I know?

Peace

Edit: Forgot to say, as much as Bendis has been terrible, Deodato has really been at the top of his game. Every issue has been a joy to look at. Makes me almost sad I boycott Bendis' Avengers. Almost.

[Habis]

they'd be hypocrites not to. the Avengers stood by when O.N.E "quarantined" the X-Men. War Machine was a sentinel squad leader. the mutant on that compound were injected with tracking chips. and even if that hadn't happened, Stark and his pro-registration forces put a great deal of the superhuman community in prison. forgive and forget.

I already said that I think Tony Stark shouldn´t have been forgiven so easily. Most of the other Avengers where outlaws at the time (Tony kept Black Widow and Warbird...Pym was replaced by a skrull...Wasp is dead...She-Hulk and Spiderman deserted Tony...Which Avengers besides Tony, Black Widow and Warbird could be held responsible for the O.N.E. issue?).

[AcesX1X]

Let me get this straight. A few issues ago, Luke Cage was shown casually carrying trucks, now he's beig held behind "iron bars"? Is there a power dampner or adamantium prison cell I'm not aware of? Plus, Warpath should have easily handed Cage his ass, however, it seems he got his handed to him by Captain America, so what do I know?

Peace

the x-men have the most secure prison located on planet earth. i really doubt luke cage of all people is going to give the gulag trouble.

[Monty_Cristo]

actually the X-man who pulled them together, was also an Avenger.

and if were gonna talk about cleaning up messes, onslaught says hi.

does he. well tell him i said thank you for cleaning up the Avengers' horrid continuity i.e. teen tony, hawkeye's hearing, bug wasp.

[Lascoden]

Hm, wonder if the X-Men hate the New Avengers as much as some of the Avengers fans. Oh, maybe that's what Alonso meant when he said the P5 would convert some Avengers fans to their side: They're going to undo everything that Bendis did.

[Monty_Cristo]

Let me get this straight. A few issues ago, Luke Cage was shown casually carrying trucks, now he's beig held behind "iron bars"? Is there a power dampner or adamantium prison cell I'm not aware of?Peace

the prison was installed to hold enemies of the X-Men; folks like Sebastian Shaw.

[Mark_S]

Wow it's going to take at least five or six issues before the X-men and the Avengers forgive and forget.


I think at this point marvel is trying to put a 'power currupts' morality story into this.

Mark_S

[Jabare]

i thought you were saying wolverine is the one whose lost his way.

I think this event is incredibly contrived. But Wolverine seems to be the most sensible one the way this event has been written so far. In a big picture sort of way.

I was saying the X-men could use Professor X's guidance or Wolverine's.

I'm kind of surprised most of the X-men are going along with Cyclops. I understand the X-men maybe wanting to do things on their own or handle things on their own. But having Hope control the Pheonix, I would think more X-men would have an objection to it.

And it wasn't like the Avengers were going to kill her, except for Wolverine.

My question was, what were the Avengers goign to do once they got Hope. Transport her to the Negative zone, till they found out how to stop the Pheonix. And where the heck are Pym and Reed.

Shouldn't you get a brain-trust together, with the likes of Pym, Reed and BP to try and stop the Pheonix. No offense to Stark, but I think the Pheonix might be a little out of his scientific field. Where is Amadeous Cho, or some of the other scientific geniuses.

It also seems the Pheonix Force has been slightly retconed during this event

[AcesX1X]

And it wasn't like the Avengers were going to kill her, except for Wolverine.

lol. none of the x-men want this psychopath in charge after avx. they've spent the last five years trying to keep her alive.

[Jabare]

lol. none of the x-men want this psychopath in charge after avx. they've spent the last five years trying to keep her alive.

yeah that has clearly paid off in the long run


*sigh* I miss their being a bunch of mutants that were not X-men

[gregyo]

yeah that has clearly paid off in the long run


*sigh* I miss their being a bunch of mutants that were not X-men

It definitely paid off for Hope. Getting killed would probably suck.

[AcesX1X]

i wish people would stop saying wolverine was "the reasonable one" in this fiasco. if anything, wolverine is the reason why they're all fighting. he's one who prevented both groups from working together like adults. he told captain america outright lies about cyclops (rachel confirmed this) because he has a personal vendetta against the man. had wolverine been honest about the phoenix, then the avengers would have gone to the x-men to figure out a plan instead of showing up on utopia with an army and a poor attitude. he played both sides like chumps.

[Jabare]

i wish people would stop saying wolverine was "the reasonable one" in this fiasco. if anything, wolverine is the reason why they're all fighting. he's one who prevented both groups from working together like adults. he told captain america outright lies about cyclops (rachel confirmed this) because he has a personal vendetta against the man. had wolverine been honest about the phoenix, then the avengers would have gone to the x-men to figure out a plan instead of showing up on utopia with an army and a poor attitude. he played both sides like chumps.

what about Beast, or Quicksilver or Ms. Marvel. These are Avengers with strong ties and intimate knowledge of the X-men. They didn't object. I think this is just marvel subtly retconning the pheonix.

I mean the original Pheonix sagas happened in the early 80's and the Pheonix Force has been around for over a decade, so some fans may not remember all the details exactly.

But most importantly Bendis is writing this event. So you know some stuff is getting retconned.

[Vic Vega]

they acted in reaction to the Avengers discussing Wanda's execution. Pietro, an Avenger, panicked.

A reservist taking advantage of his mentally ill sibling without said organizion's knowledge doesn't consititute decisive action taken by said organization.

That is like saying the Secret Service officially condones whore-hopping because some of its off duty operatives have a taste for it.