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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    When has Stark murdered innocent people for profit?
    He trying to play up his weapon designs days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    When has Stark murdered innocent people for profit?
    Read Sentianel force ONE and the 198. He sold weapons to an orginzation what was openly bigoted and run by the person that wrote the original version of Wide Awake and is staffed mostly by open bigots.

    When he saw those weapons being used against Mutants he had no objections
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadXMan View Post
    He trying to play up his weapon designs days.
    Sentinel Force ONE was after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    Sentinel Force ONE was after that.
    Ummm they never killed anyone.. infact afer the mini and Blood of Apocolse they were worthless and then were all killed by Cable
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    Read Sentianel force ONE and the 198. He sold weapons to an orginzation what was openly bigoted and run by the person that wrote the original version of Wide Awake and is staffed mostly by open bigots.

    When he saw those weapons being used against Mutants he had no objections
    Selling weapons to someone that ends up using them to murder someone isn't murder (assuming anyone innocent was actually murdered in those scenarios). The owners of Walmart would be behind bars if that were the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Selling weapons to someone that ends up using them to murder someone isn't murder. The owners of Walmart would be behind bars if that were the case.
    Cough* Noble Cough*

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadXMan View Post
    Ummm they never killed anyone.. infact afer the mini and Blood of Apocolse they were worthless and then were all killed by Cable
    They were used to hold the Mutants prisoners an s confined so they coulod be,and were killed, the difference is not all that significant. They sure as hell tried to kill a lot of mutants but failed at it
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    They were used to hold the Mutants prisoners an s confined so they coulod be,and were killed, the difference is not all that significant. They sure as hell tried to kill a lot of mutants but failed at it
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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Selling weapons to someone that ends up using them to murder someone isn't murder (assuming anyone innocent was actually murdered in those scenarios). The owners of Walmart would be behind bars if that were the case.
    When you design and sell them to people you know that will abuse people with them, that is a different thing. He knowingly sold them to people who he knew abused and harm mutants and who are openly bigoted. He saw then being used that way and had no objections.

    If he has sold them to an organization not designed to harm mutants and not lead by known bigots then I would not see the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    When you design and sell them to people you know that will abuse people with them, that is a different thing. He knowingly sold them to people who he knew abused and harm mutants and who are openly bigoted. He saw then being used that way and had no objections.

    If he has sold them to an organization not designed to harm mutants and not lead by known bigots then I would not see the problem.
    Selling weapons to someone who might commit murder with them is not murder, by any legal defintion of the term.

    I think you can criticize him of selling weapons, but arguing that he's responsible for murdering innocent people is factually inaccurate.

    And was anyone actually even murdered? If so who and when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Selling weapons to someone who might commit murder with them is not murder, by any legal defintion of the term.

    I think you can criticize him of selling weapons, but arguing that he's responsible for murdering innocent people is factually inaccurate.

    And was anyone actually even murdered? If so who and when?
    What about the orginator of the modern Sentenails? Shaw and Frost?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadXMan View Post
    What about the orginator of the modern Sentenails? Shaw and Frost?!
    For him if it is an X Men he forget they did anything wrong. I like how Billy called out Scott in Children Crusade about the very people he has in the X Men.
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    Also Another Shaw and frost plot.

    Corrupt Jean and use The PF as they see fit. That ended sooo well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timeismoney View Post
    For him if it is an X Men he forget they did anything wrong. I like how Billy called out Scott in Children Crusade about the very people he has in the X Men.
    For me, the best quote is "Stark is trying to prevent the mutant race from existing." No, he's trying to save the earth from a cosmic turkey; cyclops thinks instead it will restart the mutant race...because of all the times it has done so in the past. Oh, wait...not it hasn't.

    I hate how they have made Cyclops a zealous demagogue. Having Frost, Magneto and Nemesis on the X-Men prevents them from being too too noble.

    Having said that, I thought Stark was an ass throughout CW and after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric2 View Post
    For me, the best quote is "Stark is trying to prevent the mutant race from existing." No, he's trying to save the earth from a cosmic turkey; cyclops thinks instead it will restart the mutant race...because of all the times it has done so in the past. Oh, wait...not it hasn't.
    can you prove that? the mutant population did grow to such proportions that marvel editorial decided to decimate them. how do you know that the Phoenix Force wasn't the spark for that?

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