PREVIEW: Bendis & Deodato's "New Avengers" #28

[XPac]

In Frontlines it was revealed that Stark mind-controlled Green Goblin (using nanites) into attacking a group of Atlanteans, hoping it would spark a war with Atlantis, that way they would have an enemy to unite against.

The irony of that though was that as "evil" as Stark was potrayed in that event, it really was followed by arguably the biggest push the character has ever gotten in his history. Movies, cartoons, etc. Not to say that he necessarily got it because of Civil War... but it certainly didn't hurt the character one bit, if you look at where he's at now versus where he was during Civil.

And that's probably something to keep in mind when some are afraid that their favorite character might be "ruined" or whatever in a story. AvX or whatever.

[Lascoden]

The irony of that though was that as "evil" as Stark was potrayed in that event, it really was followed by arguably the biggest push the character has ever gotten in his history. Movies, cartoons, etc. Not to say that he necessarily got it because of Civil War... but it certainly didn't hurt the character one bit, if you look at where he's at now versus where he was during Civil.

And that's probably something to keep in mind when some are afraid that their favorite character might be "ruined" or whatever in a story. AvX or whatever.

He definitely got pushed into the spotlight, but it came at the price of being hated both in and out of universe. Many fans hated him since they saw him as the villain in CW. Many character hated him for the same reasons. Doom flat out said that more hated Tony then him.

[mikekerrIII]

Haven't read it, so I can't speak to that. I get the feeling that marvel would disagree with you though.

I doubt it since the wrote him being a terrorist.

If you wanted to condemn Stark for all the weapons he has manufactured over the years, guns, advanced weaponry, weapons of mass destruction, than there is something I could see eye to eye with you on

When you custom make weapons to give to a group that's main purpose is and always has been to harm mutants and enforce the MRA that is different from just being a general weapons supplier. These were weapons the he Knew would most likely be used to harm mutants, The person in charge was the writer of a government plan to kill all the mutants and he knew it so ignorance is no excuse.

[mikekerrIII]

I'd have a harder time forgiving Magneto than any of them.

Just saying.

Magento doesn't think that the Mutant trace is disposable when inconvenient, some of the Avengers do. As a human I would not trust him, if I was a mutant I would trust him more than any Avenger.

[DeadXMan]

Magento doesn't think that the Mutant trace is disposable when inconvenient, some of the Avengers do. As a human I would not trust him, if I was a mutant I would trust him more than any Avenger.

The mutant Trace was vary disposable. he put on the bus and then the bus blow up.

[mikekerrIII]

The irony of that though was that as "evil" as Stark was potrayed in that event, it really was followed by arguably the biggest push the character has ever gotten in his history. Movies, cartoons, etc. Not to say that he necessarily got it because of Civil War... but it certainly didn't hurt the character one bit, if you look at where he's at now versus where he was during Civil.

And that's probably something to keep in mind when some are afraid that their favorite character might be "ruined" or whatever in a story. AvX or whatever.

I don't think the "evil" needs to be in quotes.

But I have to admit the wrote a textbook example of political terrorism.

It also provides laughs when people complain about the X-men have terrorists on their team

[XPac]

I don't think the "evil" needs to be in quotes.

But I have to admit the wrote a textbook example of political terrorism.

It also provides laughs when people complain about the X-men have terrorists on their team

Course, that works both ways.

Once you add Magneto to a team (especially one he ended up turning on 2-3 times), it pretty much makes almost anything believable.

I've been as critical of Stark as anyone, but Mags makes him look like a saint.

[timeismoney]

Course, that works both ways.

Once you add Magneto to a team (especially one he ended up turning on 2-3 times), it pretty much makes almost anything believable.

I've been as critical of Stark as anyone, but Mags makes him look like a saint.

As much as i love Mags as a character this is true.

[DeadXMan]

Course, that works both ways.

Once you add Magneto to a team (especially one he ended up turning on 2-3 times), it pretty much makes almost anything believable.

I've been as critical of Stark as anyone, but Mags makes him look like a saint.

Yeah Tony never killed as many as Magneto has
Or stole Nukes
or held the world hostage with said stolen nukes
or tried to blow up NYC with a Nuke....

or terrorise a gas attendent in his magnetic sled car....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkc_Myyye20

[mikekerrIII]

Course, that works both ways.

Once you add Magneto to a team (especially one he ended up turning on 2-3 times), it pretty much makes almost anything believable.

I've been as critical of Stark as anyone, but Mags makes him look like a saint.

I guess you missed where I said "from the mutants point of view" Magneto has alawasy been for mutants, even though his methods are horrific at times. Stark and Hand have acted against Mutants on a large scale. Why would they trust someone who acted against them as a group more than someone who has acted for them as a group.



A simple way to express the difference is that Stark has no problem with Mutants being held in a contraction camp with his technology, Magento would have a problem with that. Mageneto would have no probolem with holding Humans in Camps, and Stark would have a problem with that, How the two look would depend a lot on whether you were human or mutant in the MU.

To mutants is is obvious that you don't count much to Stark and are pretty disposable for profit or politics if necessary since he has clearly shown that with the 198 and ONE.

Magneto has shown the same attitude towards humans to many times to count.

[XPac]

I guess you missed where I said "from the mutants point of view" Magneto has alawasy been for mutants, even though his methods are horrific at times. Stark and Hand have acted against Mutants on a large scale. Why would they trust someone who acted against them as a group more than someone who has acted for them as a group.



A simple way to express the difference is that Stark has no problem with Mutants being held in a contraction camp with his technology, Magento would have a problem with that. Mageneto would have no probolem with holding Humans in Camps, and Stark would have a problem with that, How the two look would depend a lot on whether you were human or mutant in the MU.

To mutants is is obvious that you don't count much to Stark and are pretty disposable for profit or politics if necessary since he has clearly shown that with the 198 and ONE.

Magneto has shown the same attitude towards humans to many times to count.

And I'm saying there are issues which frankly transend that.

Stark won't go around murdering innocent people, regardless of whether they are mutants or human. But Magneto WOULD... certainly humans, and in some cases even mutants.

[Jabare]

And I'm saying there are issues which frankly transend that.

Stark won't go around murdering innocent people, regardless of whether they are mutants or human. But Magneto WOULD... certainly humans, and in some cases even mutants.

Its not like Magneto is cool with all Mutants either. He's attacked and tried to kill several mutants on several occasions. And don't quote me on this but I think he has killed a handful of mutants before. If not in the 616 than definitely in alternate universes

[jackolover]

Looking forward to it. Either they depowered the New Avengers, or that's one difficult prison to get out of. Stark needed this prison instead of the 42. What did Doom say to that young hero? "I just have to leave the suggestion you lost your powers".

[mikekerrIII]

And I'm saying there are issues which frankly transend that.

Stark won't go around murdering innocent people, regardless of whether they are mutants or human. But Magneto WOULD... certainly humans, and in some cases even mutants.

Stark will help murder innicent people if there is a profit in it. He has done so. the govement he works for murders innocent people by the score since it makes no attempt to control it own actions. (remember Gamma Force?). Stark is currently trying to stop the X-men from surviving as a race, Magento is working in the other direction so who would a MUTANT trust?

[XPac]

Stark will help murder innicent people if there is a profit in it. He has done so. the govement he works for murders innocent people by the score since it makes no attempt to control it own actions. (remember Gamma Force?). Stark is currently trying to stop the X-men from surviving as a race, Magento is working in the other direction so who would a MUTANT trust?

When has Stark murdered innocent people for profit?