Why does a movie have to compete with those films to be considered great though?
I mean, is A Fish Called Wanda not a great movie? That film doesn't say anything or mean something. It's just a really, really, really funny film with great performances.
It hasn't opened in Japan yet has it? That's at least 50 million there.
And just for the sake of comparison, I think recent action movies like Ong-Bak, Casino Royale, Crank, 13 Assassins, and Ghost Protocol are better than The Avengers and more likely to be seen as great action movies in the decades ahead.
Ahh man you should, one of the funniest films ever. The scene with Kevin Kline's Otto is torturing Michael Palin's Ken is just... amazing. Someone actually had a heart attack and died from laughter whilst watching it.I haven't watched A Fish Called Wanda, so no opinion here.
Time will tell.I don't think it's impossible to guess how important a film will turn out to be. Forget a few years. I'm guessing that 20 years down the road, The Avengers isn't going to stick out as a paragon of filmmaking. Now, as a paragon of marketing? That's another story.
Casino Royale and 13 Assassins I agree are better than Avengers. I wouldn't say Ong-Bak, Crank or Ghost Protocol are, even though they are still great action films. Although with Crank, for me that just has unlimited replay value. I love the hell out of that movie.And just for the sake of comparison, I think recent action movies like Ong-Bak, Casino Royale, Crank, 13 Assassins, and Ghost Protocol are better than The Avengers and more likely to be seen as great action movies in the decades ahead.
The Avengers isn't great, it's a passable, mostly forgettable movie, tons of those come out every year.
And you don't really need time to tell with this movie, this isn't like some little movie that builds a following over time, The Avengers is one of the biggest movies ever and besides here on a comic book message board I'm not hearing anything about it.
The level of pretension on this thread rivals the Hulk thread of '04.
If you make a good move, create good buzz, people will see it and word of mouth will carry it. There's a reason why Prometheus which is not even the same genre as Avengers gets compared to it, simply put Avengers did it better.
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And i don't know what crowd you run with, but everyone talks about Avengers. It's even an internet meme.
How do you think a film makes 1.5 billion dollars and has small drops weekend to weekend? Repeat viewings, and not just from fanboys. People, average cinema goers are watching this film 3 or 4 times at the cinema. That isn't normal.
Obviously they felt comfortable enough to talk to me about the movie because I was wearing Avengers shirts, but I've not had that many people start up conversations with me about Avengers or any other comic book characters on my shirts in the past. Not saying this is definitive proof of anything, just something I noticed that was kind of cool.