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    I am also going to pick New Ultimates. It was just too boring and predictable. There really wasn't any hidden meanings at all. If I wanted to read Ultimates 2 again I would just pick up Ultimates 2.

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    I think New Ultimates is THE worst book in the entire UU. I can't remember ever reading anything so boring.

    However I disagree with how 'unimportant' it is/was.

    I didn't want to read New Ultimates but I felt like I needed to because of how important it was to ultimate continuity. It's a stupid book but at least it explained a lot of Loeb's annoyingly confusing plot threads. Like Valkyrie's powers. It also sets up Modi and it featured the resurrection of Thor who had previously died in Ultimatum. These were important plot threads that desperately needed explaining.

    I knew I wasn't gona like New Ultimates. But I bought it for continuity reasons ONLY. If it was unimportant, I wouldn't have bought it.

    I felt the same way about Ultimate X. I bought it because I wanted to read Nick Spencer's Ultimate Comics X-Men and I wanted to know the origins of it's new characters.

    I felt the same way about Ultimates 3. I only bought it because it set up the premise for Ultimatum. And I bought Ultimatum because it was an important line-wide event that would dramatically effect all the Ultimate books forever. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered with any of the Loeb books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plawsky View Post
    -Ultimate Team Up: Black Widow, Man Thing/Lizard - I think these speak for themselves.
    Well, to be fair... UTU Black Widow is referenced on two or three later occasions. Fury started keeping tabs on Spider-Man because of breaking into the embassy (which we see referenced sometime in the Legacy arc, I believe) and Peter ribs Widow about owing him money for the web shooters in the Blockbuster arc of UXM. UTU Man-Thing/Lizard also gets referenced as the reason why Connors won't reveal Peter's identity.

    I would probably say Ultimate Daredevil and Electra. Literally nothing was done with those two stories.
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    I think everything post Vaughn UXM is kinda pointless too. I basically just consider everything after that just filler until the real UU comes back. Discuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine12 View Post
    I think everything post Vaughn UXM is kinda pointless too. I basically just consider everything after that just filler until the real UU comes back. Discuss.
    Wasn't Death of a Goblin post BKV?
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    Wow, big hate for New Ultimates... it's actually my favourite Loeb story, let's not forget it also had the death of Valkyrie and what happened with Black Panther, and how Valkyrie got powers, while it's not the best comic, there are other less important ones definitely.

    Ultimate Armour Wars should probably go up there. I love it, but it didn't really have any lasting impact on the series as a whole. Also I'd like to point out that at the end of blockbuster Phoenix freaks out and kills a load of people, that's kind of important, plus it builds one Logan's attitude to the X-men and Xavier.

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    ULTIMATE AVENGERS 3. Not only was it awful in story and art, but it was boring and had no effect on the universe at all.. unless you consider Nerd Hulk an important character. It introduced new characters just to kill them right away, and it put a major damper on an otherwise good Omnibus. I haven't read as many Ultimate stories as most of you guys have, but I have a hard time believing anything will be as much of a waste of time as UA3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trallis View Post
    ULTIMATE AVENGERS 3. Not only was it awful in story and art, but it was boring and had no effect on the universe at all.. unless you consider Nerd Hulk an important character. It introduced new characters just to kill them right away, and it put a major damper on an otherwise good Omnibus. I haven't read as many Ultimate stories as most of you guys have, but I have a hard time believing anything will be as much of a waste of time as UA3
    It was awful but it did leave an long-lasting effect. A tresklion in Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sage6paths View Post
    It was awful but it did leave an long-lasting effect. A tresklion in Iran.

    [SPOILER]Plus the reintroduction of Blade, bringing the vampire concept to a close, finally giving Tony's tumor further development and killing off Nerdhulk.[/SPOILER]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trallis View Post
    ULTIMATE AVENGERS 3. Not only was it awful in story and art, but it was boring and had no effect on the universe at all.. unless you consider Nerd Hulk an important character. It introduced new characters just to kill them right away, and it put a major damper on an otherwise good Omnibus. I haven't read as many Ultimate stories as most of you guys have, but I have a hard time believing anything will be as much of a waste of time as UA3
    Ultimate Avengers 3 is important because of the relations of Tony Stark & his Brother, Triskelion being moved to Middle East, Nerd Hulk's path to villainy, the introduction and world building to the "shadow wars" and so forth. It had big effect to the story and it was a good showcase of Captain America. Blade was also re-introduced, which has lasting effects too.
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    Plawsky pretty much said all of the pointless stories. I would add in Ultimate Adventures as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyokid View Post
    Wasn't Death of a Goblin post BKV?
    I was mostly referring to the UXM side of the Universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine12 View Post
    I was mostly referring to the UXM side of the Universe.
    Wasn't Iceman featured heavily post-BKV in USM :P
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    The two that I'd say that I'd remove would be:

    Ultimate X-Men: Shadow King- The fact that it was only one issue really took away from the stories that it brought conclusion to by forcing them both to share it. The stolen Wolverine DNA plot just came across as rushed and really deserved its own story arc rather than just dropping us in the middle of it at the very beginning of the issue. It really left me wondering just how much better the story would have played out had Bishop not told them about the development. Also the same can be said about the Ultimate Shadow King. After some slight buildup, the entire thing was just dealt with way too fast for something so major to Storm's past. You literally wouldn't notice any difference if you just skipped it.

    Ultimate X-Men: Ultimate Power- Really just badly written between the way the characters acted to how it doesn't even bother to explain why suddenly the whole team is back together. Not only that but it only served to raise questions that echo into the universe now when it comes to Banshee, which had never even been so much as foreshadowed in the entire series. All and all, it was just a bad final arc for Ultimate X-Men considering that Ultimatum is what followed.
    Holding out for a Peter/Miles team up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drz View Post
    Ultimate Avengers 3 is important because of the relations of Tony Stark & his Brother, Triskelion being moved to Middle East, Nerd Hulk's path to villainy, the introduction and world building to the "shadow wars" and so forth. It had big effect to the story and it was a good showcase of Captain America. Blade was also re-introduced, which has lasting effects too.
    I refuse to acknowledge your well thought out points on the grounds that I just hated so much.

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